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Oh, so the tabloids are running the country now. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
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A group of cross bench MP’s have lobbied the government demanding a vote on leaving the single market. The cross-party alliance says it should be consulted over future trade decisions, saying the referendum was on EU membership; not the single market.
If you look at the Norway model they are members of the single market, make financial contributions to the EU; have to agree to free movement but are not members of the EU.
Some of that that cuts across May’s red lines so how can a compromise be found? If parliament is sovereign then a vote surely is required to leave the single market. The referendum question was only on EU membership. Any vote of MP’s is likely to be against leaving the single market which gives May an option to ignore the referendum majority vote if she has the political courage to face down the hawks in her government.
So then everything will hinge on a compromise for free movement of EU citizens.
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H'mm, 1920's Germany comes to mind, ignoring majority votes can be detremental to political longgevity.
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I think you'll find that those who voted to leave the EU did so to stop mass immigration: or freedom of movement, as some like to call it.
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Mickyfinn have you just woke up. Like a bear that has just come out of hibernation, MR David Cameron our PM went to the EU and asked the mafia that runs EUROPE for a halt to the massive uncontrolled migration of EU citizens , (currently running at 300,000 per year that they know of )airport figures only so it could be double that number know one knows as everyone in the so called EU has a key to the UKs front door the reply PM got was No Compromise ,this pig headed approach to the serious problems that the UK has to put up with has pissed the majority of the UK of and that is basically why the Outs win our NHS /DHSS/HOUSING system that was put in place to serve the TAX paying population of the UK not the Whole of the EUROPE.
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I think you'll find that those who voted to leave the EU did so to stop mass immigration: or freedom of movement, as some like to call it.
Yes they did but did they also vote to end Britains access to the single market? During the referendum campaign I don't recall ever hearing any support for that by either side.
Parliament needs to debate and decide the details of what the government intends to propose to the EU. Equally ignoring Parliament is as politically dangerous as not carrying through the refendum majority vote.
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Mickyfinn why debate something that the EU will not compromise on ,the UK has given to much power away ,and that on it's own has comprised the UK as a country.If you can remember back just before the Referendum the answer The PM got from the EU was no comprise this take it or leave it approach really pissed people off in the UK ,so democracy spoke and we chose to leave the EU.
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''A group of cross bench MP’s have lobbied the government demanding a vote on leaving the single market. The cross-party alliance says it should be consulted over future trade decisions, saying the referendum was on EU membership; not the single market.''
Come on, we are back there again, we voted out, but now want to keep the bits we liked. Wouldn’t life be wonderful if it was all like that.
Who was elected to govern? The demarcated elected government or anyone who wants to shout their mouth of to justify their existence and nose in the trough.
My neighbour objected to the location of a new bus stop and sent a petition with 3 signatures to the government asking for a referendum. I don’t think he got a response.
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Well I ask you to consider if you were an MP and your electorates livelyhoods depended on Britains membership of the single market what would you do? Half of UK exports go to Europe because of the single market. It's no good pretending that will still happen if the UK does not retain that status.
The result will be unemployment for many people who supported Brexit because of fears EU migrants were taking their jobs.
The referendum was about EU membership, NOT access to the single market. There is a clear difference.
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‘’The referendum was about EU membership, NOT access to the single market. There is a clear difference.’’
Get real, you have to be an EU member to be part of the EU single market. EU, EU, EU. It’s all part of the membership deal. We are going to be out of the EU so how can we possibly still be in the EU single market. When we leave we are not a member of it anymore, we are independent UK. That’s what was voted for. Out, Out, Out of EU, EU, EU and absolutely everything that we signed up for as a member. Everything signed as a member will be bonfire material.
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Mickyfinn l have run two very successful businesses in the UK ,and for the past 30 years in doing so l have come up against many a brick wall /no comprises /take the deal or leave it in, other words truck off so we did l took my business in another direction and we are still going strong after 30 year's when other's have gone to the wall ,the UK government will not fail to get over any hurdles that the mafia from the EU put in it's way ,just look at the way the EU is manipulating the money markets British pound down American dolar down and the euro is up it makes you wonder why when you take the P.I.G.S of the EU in to consideration.
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Mickyfinn
The referendum was about EU membership, NOT access to the single market.
Sorry but you are wrong they go hand in hand.
This was pointed out many times by the inners
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the UK government will not fail to get over any hurdles that the mafia from the EU put in it's way
Sadly I think they will fail.
Maybe you are right but can they show us how they plan to get over these hurdles - now that would be nice. but first they need to decide what hurdles exist and more importantly what is on the other side of them
I don't see huge numbers of non EU countries knocking on the UK door with offers of trade and investment
Too many overseas investors in the UK need the single market access. .
Parlaiment need a vote (or decide) on single market membership now then all can plan no matter which way it goes without a clear direction the UK is in no mans land, and an easy target for what you call the EU mafia (as well as the rest of the world) and the already nervous world markets are showing that now
Sorry but the electorate voted mainly on emotions, and not the details of the outcome no matter which way they voted
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Tadd1966 you said that the UK will fail ,if the UK fais it will bring down the rest of the EU ,but that won't happen we are to strong for that we are currently one of the wealthest and most prosperous countries in the world ,and will remain so when we leave the common market and if you don't want to believe that don't bother asking the OUT voters that voted with omotions ( l ask you) as you said just ask the 300,000 or so EU migrants why they want to come to Great Britain.
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Unfortunately Micky was the one who left school but continued to turn up each morning instead of getting a job and going to work.
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the UK is currently strong due to the overseas investment and many large companies are owned by overseas - is the UK being so arrogant that they do not beleive these will leave post brexit or sooner and take their bsuines elesherw where they can acces teh EU AND other markets
What will UK offer them?
UK plc owns very litte in the way of manufacturing
the wealth and prosperity is not held by many UK citizens
if the UK is so prosperous and rich why so many cuts, poor education services, poor health services, poor transportation, poor roads etc.
Why are so many people living in poverty and on the breadline
I dont see huge prosperity in many UK towns only high unemployemnt long term benefits for many.
The 300,000 so called EU migrants come to do the work the lazy benfit scrounging brits wont do and for the over generous UK state benfits handed out by the UK govt to anyone which will still exist post Brexit
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Tadd1966 you said why so many cuts to Education/NHS /transportation/roads we in the UK have 300,000 or so per year good reasons for for the cuts ,the UK has gone in to overload with this massive uncontrollable economic migration from the EU.
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really?
come on you know better than that
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Windtaler. You make it seem that those 300,000 (the net immigration figures for 2015) coming to UK are all from the EU when well over half are from other countries. UK does control immigration from non-EU countries so blaming it all on Brussels is a bit of a cop-out. And if UK followed the rules laid down by the EU (like most other countries do) then they could easily control the numbers coming from the EU as well. 3 months is the limit for free movement. After that the country can insist they sign on the foreigners register, prove they can support themselves, have a fixed address and, indeed, all the naus that expats in Spain complain about here. Instead, the UK treats them as residents from day 1, allows free medical access without even having the infrastructure to claim the costs back from the home country. Allows them to apply for social housing, claim benefits and so on.
Again, blaming the EU for the UK shortfall in admin seems to be the norm. I'll be glad when we do eventually leave. You'll have to find someone else to pin the blame on then.
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