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23 Jan 2017 9:33 PM by ads . 4135 posts Send private message Tadd, So many have been let down by the educational system, have no parental role models or support from home, rely upon drink or drugs for their " pleasure" , revert to crime or maybe have undetected mental health issues, no self beliefor self esteem, angry at the establishment, no future aspirations,... A hellish existence that frequently results in a downward spiral. Our system should have a fallback mechanism to include a means of "earning" benefits which could provide opportunities to train for a job, but the way the EU system works doesn't allow for a member state to restrict these opportunities for nationals ( and this is exactly what happened with in work benefits which were abused by non nationals). The EU system is badly flawed which Merkel recognised, so why, prey tell, didn't she help to reform. There's so much hypocrisy in so much as the British system was endeavouring to be caring and prevent further poverty and unrest, which Ironically has been ruined by EU flawed policy. Tadd, it really isn't as black and white as you suggest, and I for one really don't feel comfortable with generalisations that label people as scroungers or as some have referred to as "scum". They are human beings at the end of the day that don't stand a chance unless we as a society have a "decent" fallback mechanism. I do understand your anger when abuse occurs but we all have to be really careful when generalising. 2 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
23 Jan 2017 10:23 PM by hugh_man in Kent/Roda . 1593 posts Send private message Tadd - it's very difficult to drill into the facts of EU benefits but in France I know several people who enjoy a decent way of life having made a life style choice years ago not to work. I don't comment on the morality of that save the fact that in France that choice is more socially acceptable than the UK. One of my neighbours even told me once what his income was on benefits. I was astonished. France of course is a socialist state but other EU nations are equally as generous. Finland for example. ............. Mickey, precisely the reason the economies of the EU are failing, they are not able to afford these benefits to those not in need. Ads is right, Merkel should actually have done something when she realised it was failing but still Germany continues to fund and bail out the rest because it suits their industry and their exports. I can assure you the House of Cards will crumble soon, especially when the UK stops making such big contributions. The UK have attempted to make changes to benefit systems to be fair to tax payers as well as those in receipt but EU rules allow migrants to U.K. to exploit our generosity aimed at reducing poverty. No one seriously wants to see food banks, NOT even the Daily Mail. 4 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 8:35 AM by Tadd1966 in Los Montesinos. 1754 posts Send private message Ads I don't disagree and I am not angry people need to remember migrants eu or non eu are also human beings And like everything minorities spoil a lot including those sctoungers who abuse the system Hugh_man How does UK contributions fund other States welfare system each state funds their own This is not an eu problem it could be if welfare was centralised with a focus on those who need help and a clampdown on the rest _______________________ “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge” 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 9:14 AM by Mickyfinn in Spain and France. 1833 posts Send private message Hugh -precisely the reason the economies of the EU are failing, they are not able to afford these benefits to those not in need. Not so Hugh. Europes economy hit the buffers during the global recession and has been slower to climb out of it because of the single currency strait jacket. Downturns will always be harder to overcome with a shared currency rather than a single one. I have never been a fan of the Euro but again it was a political decision. One designed to bring Europe closer together. Recently Europe has been showing signs of economic strength. I dont share your pessimisim that Europe will struggle. Yes it has problems but so do all nations. Britain will struggle far more after Brexit, especially if it's a cliff edge exit. Europe will continue it's slow steady recovery despite the likelyhood of their exports to the UK being slapped with WTO tariffs. _______________________ Time is the school in which we learn Time is the fire in which we burn. Delmore Schwartz. 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 9:33 AM by briando55 in Yorkshire. 1982 posts Send private message Tadd Brian Of you don't understand the word and how it is used in all contexts suggest you go and buy a dictionary Scrounger: To forage about in an effort to acquire something at no cost. This can apply to most of the house of lords who inherited money and title, old or new bussiness owners and shareholders who have been given capital or shares to keep earning from the proceeds. My question was, how do you define a scrounger. whats the job title. is the question too hard for you? What about people on hard times, sickness, disabled, all these are people who fit the dictionary. Maybe people who fled to Spain to avoid tax, the law, all manner of individuals. How do you spot them Tadd. is it just the people on telly that you dont like? The scrounger is not the reason we have have taken a brexit decision, and if it is it was wrong to do that (in my opinion). _______________________ Best wishes, Brian 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 9:53 AM by bobaol . 2253 posts Send private message You are aware that "most of the House of Lords" are political appointees? Not many hereditary ones left at all but plenty of failed politicians getting bumped upstairs. The hereditary (the real ones) peers tend to do a far better job for the nation than the latter, by the way. 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 10:07 AM by Destry in MYOB . 289 posts Send private message Abusers of the UK's benefits regime couldn't abuse it without the complicity of it's masters. The DWP is a giant within the public sector, these guys will defend their position until the minute they receive their offer of an early enhanced retirement package, reform is required from top to bottom, but why should the turkeys vote for Christmas? _______________________ IF YOU WISH TO QUOTE ANY OF MY POSTS PLEASE DO SO IN THEIR ENTIRETY AND NOT JUST A FEW SELECTED WORDS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT. THANK YOU. 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 10:28 AM by briando55 in Yorkshire. 1982 posts Send private message You are aware that "most of the House of Lords" are political appointees? Not many hereditary ones left at all but plenty of failed politicians getting bumped upstairs. The hereditary (the real ones) peers tend to do a far better job for the nation than the latter, by the way. No I'm not aware of these assumptions, although it seems to suggest what im saying was correct anyway! _______________________ Best wishes, Brian 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 11:07 AM by ads . 4135 posts Send private message Government loses Brexit challenge. ( Vote 8-3)...Devolved assemblies do not have to be consulted however. Success for the rule of law and creating legal certainty ( constitutional certainties). Corbyn ...Labour won't frustrate the process. SNP to table 50 amendments to the bill. Libdems demand " vote for the people". ( 2nd referendum prior to leaving). Process of legislation will now follow as the Govt will comply with the ruling. Apparently a statement to be made by David Davies later today 12.30. This message was last edited by ads on 24/01/2017. This message was last edited by ads on 24/01/2017. 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 11:57 AM by Mickyfinn in Spain and France. 1833 posts Send private message The Supreme Court ruling is a victory for common sense. The government was stupid to try and challenge the constitutional rights of parliament to agree the way Britain exits the EU. The case was never about challenging the referendum result as some right wing media tried to present it. The best hope now for expats in particular is parliament should ensure the rights we have enjoyed in Europe over 40 years will continue after Brexit. Leaving it up to a bunch of ministers to decide was never going to be legally or constitutionally acceptable. . _______________________ Time is the school in which we learn Time is the fire in which we burn. Delmore Schwartz. 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 12:25 PM by Destry in MYOB . 289 posts Send private message Did Cameron and co ignore legal advice prior to calling the referendum, or was legal advice never given or requested? I wager that we will never know the answer to any of these questions. _______________________ IF YOU WISH TO QUOTE ANY OF MY POSTS PLEASE DO SO IN THEIR ENTIRETY AND NOT JUST A FEW SELECTED WORDS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT. THANK YOU. 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 12:33 PM by tteedd in Hertfordshire & Punt.... 990 posts Send private message The government was stupid to try and challenge the constitutional rights of parliament to agree the way Britain exits the EU. No the result (8 - 3) shows that the case was not clear even among these individuals who many argue are not unbiased. The government is also wise to accept the judgement and go forward on the basis of the judgment. Once the dust has settled down, we are out of the EU and our judicairy is again independent it might also be wise to have a commission into the operation of the Supreme Court. If the commission finds that such a court cannot be free of political bias then we should either have it overtly political (as in the US) or scrap it. This message was last edited by tteedd on 24/01/2017. 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 12:42 PM by Elsietanner in Alicante & New York. 164 posts Send private message Mickyfinn You do come up with some amazing dribble. The best hope now for expats in particular is parliament should ensure the rights we have enjoyed in Europe over 40 years will continue after Brexit. That will be decided by the EU. Rights, what Rights, we are leaving EU, given EU sacky, thrown towel in, taken ball home. Someone said months ago, you are the one who leaves school but instead of getting a job you keep turning up at school. This message was last edited by Elsietanner on 24/01/2017. _______________________ NO SNIDE COMMENTS PLEASE. STICK TO THE THREAD SUBJECT. 5 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 1:11 PM by Mickyfinn in Spain and France. 1833 posts Send private message You misunderstood my point. Parliament granted those rights in 1973 only parliament can remove them not a cabal of ministers. _______________________ Time is the school in which we learn Time is the fire in which we burn. Delmore Schwartz. 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 2:01 PM by Elsietanner in Alicante & New York. 164 posts Send private message Micky UK parliament grants our rights in the UK and will have no jurisdiction in the EU. The EU grants rights to EU citizens. We will not be EU citizens, we have jacked it in, don’t you get it. Can anyone else help Micky understand we are chucking are membership in. _______________________ NO SNIDE COMMENTS PLEASE. STICK TO THE THREAD SUBJECT. 2 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 2:02 PM by Tadd1966 in Los Montesinos. 1754 posts Send private message briando What about people on hard times, sickness, disabled Yes a system that is there when really needed by people not a system that gives to anyone and topping up low wages No point in playing word games as with many words they have many deifintions depending upon the context used here is another one for you that might just clear up your confusion ther are many others depending on the context etc informal, derogatory A person who borrows from or lives off others: [with modifier] ‘welfare scroungers’ _______________________ “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge” 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 2:11 PM by BigAl2015 . 194 posts Send private message OK Elsie.. this may help Micky... A customer enters a pet shop. Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint. (The owner does not respond.) Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss? Owner: What do you mean "miss"? Mr. Praline: (pause)I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint! Owner: We're closin' for lunch. Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique. Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What's,uh...What's wrong with it? Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it! Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting. Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now. Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage! Mr. Praline: The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead. Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting! Mr. Praline: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Polly Parrot! I've got a lovely fresh cuttle fish for you if you show... (owner hits the cage) Owner: There, he moved! Mr. Praline: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage! Owner: I never!! Mr. Praline: Yes, you did! Owner: I never, never did anything... Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO POLLY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call! (Takes parrot out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.) Mr. Praline: Now that's what I call a dead parrot. Owner: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned! Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!? Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! Norwegian Blues stun easily, major. Mr. Praline: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk. Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for the fjords. Mr. Praline: PININ' for the FJORDS?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home? Owner: The Norwegian Blue prefers keepin' on it's back! Remarkable bird, id'nit, squire? Lovely plumage! Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that it had been NAILED there. (pause) Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that bird down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its beak, and VOOM! Feeweeweewee! Mr. Praline: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised! Owner: No no! 'E's pining! Mr. Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!! 3 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 2:32 PM by scollins in London. 53 posts Send private message " The government is also wise to accept the judgement and go forward on the basis of the judgment" says Tteed.... What other option did the Governmentt have ? Ignore it? Appeal to Strasbourg? _______________________ Scollins 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 2:41 PM by windtalker . 1950 posts Send private message The UK government should not have to much trouble getting the Brexit approved in the house of lord as the majority of the none elected house of lords are Conservative through and through ,so it will be just a formality for the government to have the Brexit passed. This message was last edited by windtalker on 24/01/2017. 0 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know
24 Jan 2017 2:55 PM by Destry in MYOB . 289 posts Send private message Don't be so sure about the Lords wt, when the Homosexual Bill came before them a majority advised that it be paid. 😉 _______________________ IF YOU WISH TO QUOTE ANY OF MY POSTS PLEASE DO SO IN THEIR ENTIRETY AND NOT JUST A FEW SELECTED WORDS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT. THANK YOU. 3 Like Spam post or abuse? Please let us know

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