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Not Scottish, but live in Scotland (Dalkeith to be precise).
You do not have to be Scottish to live in Scotland, YET.
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And it sounds like the citizenship rights will be done with the EU well before the Scottish 'divorce' would come into effect.
So a whole lot of new negotiations for Nicola there then, does she put up border posts for Scotland before she can take them back down again as a future EU puppy dog?
Do the Scottish trading deals fall into line with the EU tariffs as a 'show willing we want to be good members'
does the interim currency become the 'sturgeon' 100 Salmond make one sturgeon perhaps Then a hundred sturgeon make a caviar!!
what a mess in store for the people of Scotland in my opinion.
This message was last edited by briando55 on 31/03/2017.
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Scotland's problems pale in comparison to what UK is facing
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Those whose intent is to divide and rule without due regard to the whole family of people and all that we have achieved since the war, have the potential to do a great disservice to us all. We should never turn our back on the ability and strength of us all working together as a whole family, with shared values but realistic aspirations, but more importantly we need to remain respectful of one another and work together to gain greater accountability and a fair society from those who currently hold power and influence.
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Well said Ads, unfortunately the UK is a divided nation. The main issues of course are Brexit and independance for Scotland and the North of Ireland.
There is zero chance of Remain and Leave uniting...ever. It is an issue that will run for a whole generation and is equally likely to run into an acceptance of Brexit as to a demand to rejoin the EU by our children.
The devolved parliaments in the UK might be tempted to not separate if they are given the level of power and authority that they crave. The idea that Westminster is filled with the sort's that can see this and act on it are pretty slim.
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Yes ads, exactly.
And as before the wars, the troubles and the recent EU strifes, the world evolves, and countries do what is best for their people in the long term.
It is an issue that will run for a whole generation and is equally likely to run into an acceptance of Brexit as to a demand to rejoin the EU by our children.
It was an issue when we were children and young adults, we joined and it was a difficult task to do so. When the current leaders of the EU (who will likely have to die off to go) go away, younger blood and new ideas will come through we hope.
Our own children will have to work at it as we did, thats the way of the world, we have to try and do what is best in our opinion.
In the meantime we have to remain friends and part of a continent that works together and shares together and trades together. We have done this since the pre historic trade routes developed, the EU doesnt own the intelectual rights, just the constitution it sets its members.
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The only divisions in the UK are being created by some of the remoan brigade who can't get over the fact that we are coming out of the dictatorship EUSSR, and keep throwing their toys out of the pram. They now pretend that they support the Scottish people in another attempt to stop Brexit happening. A lot of people that I know who voted remain say "let's get on with it and try get a good deal for all of the UK". Others like Gina Miller cannot stop crying and trying to thwart the will of the people.
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Yes Jarvi.
It does look more and more like the division within our society is actively taken up by the remain sections. That's becoming clear.
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" ..................unfortunately the UK is a divided nation...........................................................................................................................................The devolved parliaments in the UK might be tempted to not separate if they are given the level of power and authority that they crave.
This is the kind of wooly thinking that got us where we are. Unwanted devolution gave the nationists the platform to cause the current trouble. It has not yet divided the nation. See comment on the constitutional thread.
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there will be more division when the brexiters see the final deal as they all won't be happy and will be stuck with it as nobody is going to get a say on the final deal
the UK is very divided now with 2 of the 4 nations wanting to remain and the other 2 wanting to leave. Add to that the divisions within each county, city, town, village, hamlet, familes etc. simply spells divisions and it will last for generations.
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Wrong Tadd
"the UK is very divided now with 2 of the 4 nations wanting to remain and the other 2 wanting to leave"
It isn't 100% of the people in those 2 countries
44.2% voted to leave the EUSSR in Northern Ireland
38% voted to leave in Scotland.
And if there was another referendum tomorrow the numbers wanting to leave would be greater as ordinary people now see project fear for what it was.
I repeat
The only divisions in the UK are being created by some of the remoan brigade who can't get over the fact that we are coming out of the dictatorship EUSSR, and keep throwing their toys out of the pram. They now pretend that they support the Scottish people in another attempt to stop Brexit happening. A lot of people that I know who voted remain say "let's get on with it and try get a good deal for all of the UK".
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Jarvi
The percenatges you quote simply show the divisions and 62% of Sctoland vote dto remain, 55.8% of NI voted to remain
remember it wasn't 100% of the peopel who voted to leave 48% of the UK voted to remain
BTW who is EUSSR?
Don't get paranoid us who voted to remain are not supporting Scotland in anything other than their right to a say democratically on their countries future and to not be dictated to by Westminster or by England
Most leavers (me included) accept the vote and simply have opinions of the mess and potemtial problems that lie ahead especially with the lack of info and detail of what will happen post brexit, no guarantees and no say on the outcoem of the deal
Funny how the remainers are puttingtheri full support into a team of confirmed remainers to get them a deal
None of the leavers can give that info and they are wishing on a prayer and dreaming of something that simply does not exist yet and IMO probably never will
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The EUSSR is a bit like the USSR but less democratic.
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Jarvi.
If this is true that the EU are becoming sympathetic to the Scottish partition request, they are then meddling in the emotion of our constitution. This is breaking their word about negotiations only with their member state, the UK.
So, they should be given a stiff letter by the parliament to 'butt out' and stay with the programme on the table.
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So Mr Tusk has demanded that the rights of EU citizens in the UK is established
BUT he says nothing about UK citizens living in Europe, me thinks Ads is right and they will not permit sensible negotiations but will try to send a message to other EU states.
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Jarvi
The EUSSR is a bit like the USSR but less democratic.
From history I know what the USSR was but still none the wiser as to what the EUSSR is
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"USSR - The Soviet Union officially the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was a socialist state in Eurasia that existed from 1922 to 1991.
Several republics began resisting central control, and increasing democratization led to a weakening of the central government. The USSR's trade gap progressively emptied the coffers of the union, leading to eventual bankruptcy. The Soviet Union finally collapsed in 1991 when Boris Yeltsin seized power in the aftermath of a failed coup that had attempted to topple reform-minded Gorbachev."
EUSSR - "The European Union (EU) is a political and economic union of 28 member states that are located primarily in Europe.
Several countries starting with Britain began resisting central control, and increasing democratization led to a weakening of the central government. The EUSSR's trade gap progressively emptied the coffers of the union, leading to eventual bankruptcy. The European Union finally collapsed in 2021"
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PARTY went really WELL around 40 people attended
I made it a point to ASK EVERYONE if there VIEWS had altered and NO ONE had moved from REMAIN to REMOAN
I ALSO asked a. SCOTISH partygoer why the SCOTS wear KILTS and he laughed and explained so we have a good EXCUSE for a SMALL pe😀Is
I Said that's a LIE as STU my hubby from STIRLING would make a SPANISH DONKEY jealous
All the BEST for the FUTURE
Love Hugh xx
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The acronym EUSSR does not exist now or in history as you have defined it more hogwash
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The end is nigh for the EUSSR.......
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