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Many more expat UK pensioners rely on European healthcare under reciprocal healthcare agreements than UK-based European pensioners rely on the NHS.
While 70,000 retired Brits use Spain's health system, 81 Spanish pensioners are registered as covered by the NHS.
Across the European Economic Area (EEA) there are 145,000 UK expat pensioners registered, compared with 4,000 EEA pensioners registered to use the NHS.
Read it on BBC. It just came out this morning.
Of course it goes without saying that EU OAP's are automatically registered with the NHS if they live in OAP Homes. In the case of the Spanish that is all 81 of them. Not 81 million or 81 thousand just 81
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Perrypower1 you and( Bo Bable on) should stop twisting thing's ,my post on OAPs from the EU taking up beds in OAP homes and The NHS did not mentions nothing about Spanish people where did you get that from, have a look at migration watch UK the figure's are frightening.
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These holier than thou UK expats with a total sense of humour deficiency, would be well advised to stop copying and pasting doom and gloom anti Brexit articles and start worrying about UK state pension increases, residency rights, exchange rates and other such mundane post Article 50 issues.
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You just can't help yourself, can you windtalker. Unemployment levels in Spain are high, I agree. But to come out with Spain still has almost 30% unemployment when it's just dropped to 18.9% is, once again, plucking figures from the air.
Unlike you, I can actually post links to the figure
Spain Unemployment Rate
And if you are simply "Repeating What I Have Read" then please post a link to it so we can all see rather than just looking at something, reading a number and then doubling it.
As the vast majority of those coming to the UK from the EU are fairly young and move for work or to join families already working there, I very much doubt they would be blocking the beds in care homes just yet.
Electricity prices in UK are 11.3 cents per Kwh (figures from 2015 - couldn't find newer) compared to 15.2 cents per Kwh in UK. Yes, standing charges are higher, I agree.
Cost of Electricity in EU
This site shows that, including standing charges, the average in Spain is 13.64 US cents whilst UK is 15.4 US cents (figures are September 2016).
Cost of Electricity by Country
No comment on the water (another utility cost) though.
See, it's easy to point out actual links instead of just made up ones.
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UK expatriates should be very concerned about what is happening in the UK as far as mass uncontrollable migration from the EU is concerned , you might want to come come back home one day and be shocked on what has happed to your home town.
Bobable you did not quote anything like that on the post l was reading the other night intact other poster ask you to prove of what you saying/ overall unemployment in Spain is very high /youth unemployment is currently around 44% shocking for a country that's a member of the EU.
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Just like Spain then. Full of nasty foreigners (guiris) opening bars selling Gunness and John Smith's, restaurants selling full English breakfasts, shops stocking Pukka Pies and baked beans,fish n chips all over the place. Might have to move to Fiji to keep the weather but lose the foreigners.....oh, hang on, it'll probably be full of them.
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Desry - These holier than thou UK expats with a total sense of humour deficiency
Now who would that be I wonder? I find these articles informed and wider perspective matters when dealing with this subject but if you dont ignore them please.
Although I am an ardent European I can see the EU has many fault lines. However simply supporting Brexit without any consideration of the likely damage to the UK ‘Brexit means Brexit’ implies is rather what Obama was referring to in his excellent speech yesterday.
Occupying a bubble of thought without any consideration of opposite views seems to be the principal characteristic of Brexiteers. Ideologues rather than pragmatists. Politically and socially that’s a route to nowhere land.
I actually believe in the negotiations with the EU, acceptable deals will be struck eventually. I believe they will preserve the status quo with the exception of a modest modification to movements and trade. Leaving the EU was the referendum question, nothing else. That can easily be satisfied politically if there is a will so to do and that is the real issue with this subject.
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I'm very reticent to play the 'foreigner' card babaol, what with the Irish and Jewish family connections. My wife was brought up in a terraced house in an Irish area located close to the Catholic Church, the house still stands but is now in an Asian area located close to the mosque.
When we visit Spain we stay in nice areas, because we live in a nice area in the UK, however we have drited off piste in Spain and experienced the worst of the brits, we know where not to go in the UK, and many of these areas are inhabited predominantly by white U.K. trash, as a nation we don't have a lot to shout about. I wonder what the Spanish government will do about UK undesirables when they cease to be EU citizens.
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'Occupying a bubble of thought without any consideration of opposite views seems to be the principal characteristic of Brexiteers.'
Micky. Good post, apart from the above. It is much easier to make the case that it applies to the remoaners (ie a section of the remainers who refuse to face facts or accept the democratic will of the people). You have to accept that some people do consider all points of view and come to a conclusion different to yours.
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'Occupying a bubble of thought without any consideration of opposite views seems to be the principal characteristic of Brexiteers.'
Micky. Good post, apart from the above. It is much easier to make the case that it applies to the remoaners (ie a section of the remainers who refuse to face facts or accept the democratic will of the people). You have to accept that some people do consider all points of view and come to a conclusion different to yours.
Perhaps more to the point might be the one's who voted to leave have seen what the EU has done to the UK.
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'I refuse to acknowledge any legitimacy of those who voted to leave based on the comments above and will fight on against them.'
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I've taken to ignoring your incoherent rambling dissertions but am going to comment on the above. The quote of mine you use has nothing to do with my reasons for voting to leave the EU (which have been stated many times on this board). It was just a comment based on the direction of discussion on the board at the time.
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Tenerife 17:58
How's the spelling?
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All - My post today was not about the referendum result, which by the way I accept. It was about what I see as Brexiteers only seeing a singular point. To put it simple terms that of the EU being bad, Britain alone in the world being good.
Britain’s membership of the EU is much more complex than that. The wide and unseen economic and social benefits have permeated British life for the last forty years. It is not until you really lose something that you realise perhaps it was not so bad after all.
Government have to take into account what losses the UK will face when they negotiate. I don’t believe May is a kamikaze prime minister. She will have to be pragmatic not a demagogue.
The British government unlike some members of this thread know full well what the UK will lose if they take a line which many of you on here seem to support. Yes they have to publically appear to be in step with the referendum result. However unless they are true ideologues like Farage & Co compromise and trade-offs are essential.
At least Trump seems to understand that.
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Destry,
Can't check it now, but it's still true.
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We need a more contemporary reimagining of our integrated monitored projections.
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Come on Micky.
I did not see anyone say perfect deal. They all said best deal. 'Best' would include compromises and trade offs.
It's those that wish to derail the leaving process who are not only idealogues but also anti-democratic.
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We need a more contemporary reimagining of our integrated monitored projections.
They may have said that when I stood at the front at the lecture last night. But it sounded more like 'get out of the f...ing way'!
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tteed- It's those that wish to derail the leaving process who are not only ideologues but also anti-democratic.
That is the problem with Brexit. People are either on one side or another. We see that on this thread. It need not be like that. It was the referendum campaign which polarised everyone into adversarial ‘sides’. .
What a majority of people actually wanted was some controls on EU immigration. The mistake was offering the only way to achieve that through a referendum to leave the EU.
Now we are there and faced with the economic and social costs of those controls some common sense needs to apply. The baby should not be thrown out with the bath water. (Rejecting the essential along with the inessential.)
That is my best hope for the future. Time will expose the skills of the current government figures in achieving that. It will be a difficult but not impossible task.
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