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In this exiting match of Mickyfin v Hugh there have been two atempts on goal by each side with neither scoring a 'personal attack'. Micky came closest with a volley that hit the bar.
So the score in this exiting contest remains Mickyfinn 0 Hugh man 0
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I reckon there is a winner.The one who is talking sense. Guess who?
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Why call it an exiting contest...................one of them is a remainer?
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Jarvi
Yes I seen that but the uk submitted at end of Feb 2016 not sept 2015 which is 2 to 3 months after the Italian claim
Maybe their is a priority based on the scale of the disaster
The ppint us it takes a long time for the uk govt to start the claim and time for the eu to go through the process
Just scaremongering bad mouthing and clutching at straws to whinge about the eu by the radicals
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Maybe their priority is everyone before the UK as always, thats part of the reason some of us want to leave.
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Oooo errrrrrr Micky, we are feeling sensitive if you think my questioning your statements that all is well in Europe amounts to a personal attack.
I have noted that you and others keep asking for the answers to how everything is going to work, once we leave but you can offer no facts about it working well, which blatantly it hasn't since the crash, and manufacturing moving East.
What facts can remainders give us to suggest we would be better off aligned to the EU, when it is obvious that most of the growth in the UK since the crash has stemmed from UK govt led policies.
This message was last edited by hugh_man on 04/12/2016.
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Oh dear.... Looks like they will need to re-run the Italian vote...
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The European Union became the largest individual economy in the world, passing that of the US in 2003. However it’s true the EU’s share of global GDP has since fallen to second place behind the US since the economic crisis. One reason was because growth in non-EU economies has advanced in the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) economies.
These BRIC countries have since suffered setbacks due to oil price falls and political uncertainty.
All economies suffer peaks and troughs because of a wide variety of headwinds and events which impact their GDP.
Britain’s exports to the EU in 2015 represented 15% of its GDP, 44% of it’s total exports. The rest of the EU’s exports to Britain represented only 3% of their GDP.
It is clear from these figures the EU can manage quite well without the UK but the UK will be hit badly if access to the single market is prevented after Brexit.
How Brexiteers believe they can simply walk away from the second largest economy on the planet and it's previleged single market access and on its doorstep I cannot imagine.
In the event the UK is excluded from the single market its only option left is the WTO. That operates well for manufacturing goods but responds poorly for service industries which will effectively disadvantage the UK.
The EU especially Germany will then be free to shut out the UK in certain financial services sectors but the UK could not then place many controls on imports into the UK from the EU.
Large sectors in The City will move to Frankfurt or Paris. The BBA has already said its members are preparing for that relocation. Britain will lose a huge slice of its GDP to the EU along with it its power, status and prestige as the world’s financial center. Along with it huge sums of foreign investment will leave Britain and find a home in Europe.
You may all consider these factors are a price worth paying for Brexit. I suggest Britain will be hugely impacted by a hard Brexit which will take the country generations to recover.
Perhaps you may begin to realise that France and Germany are now licking their lips at the prospect of gobbling up something they have converted for generations. Britain obtained opt outs over the years when the EU tried to restrict The City; effectively trying to weaken the competition.
It is not in the EU's interests to offer the UK a soft exit. The referendum did the damage the UK population handed them advantage on a plate, now they are simply waiting to collect the spoils.
This message was last edited by Mickyfinn on 05/12/2016.
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Jarvi said
Maybe their priority is everyone before the UK as always, thats part of the reason some of us want to leave.
I don't buy this for one minute and in my experience it is certainly not true.
Oh dear and people really beleive these type of statements!!! -
 boo hoo cry cry everyone is against me, nobody likes me and I am not playing anymore unless you use my ball and play by my rules boo hoo cry cry
if this is the reason some want to leave then it is very sad and they need to take a long had look at the UK (and themsleves) and see the UK is is not as great, or special and important as they think
The UK is not hated, singled out etc as much as people think athlough I think many have justification due to the arrogance and selfishness of many UK politicans, UK media and the Brit abroad syndrome
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Currently The City of London and Greater London contribute 22% of the nations GDP. Largely through financial services with stong links to the EU. Britain is the bank and LSE of choice for EU international companies seeking to raise funds and contracting complex insurance requirements. Passporting rights as an EU member is essential and a necessary requirement for these financial services to continue.
Unless passorting is retained after Brexit London will be marginalised as a financial centre of excellence.
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Tadd said
I don't buy this for one minute and in my experience it is certainly not true.
Oh dear and people really beleive these type of statements!!! -
boo hoo cry cry everyone is against me, nobody likes me and I am not playing anymore unless you use my ball and play by my rules boo hoo cry cry
if this is the reason some want to leave then it is very sad and they need to take a long had look at the UK (and themsleves) and see the UK is is not as great, or special and important as they think
The UK is not hated, singled out etc as much as people think athlough I think many have justification due to the arrogance and selfishness of many UK politicans, UK media and the Brit abroad syndrome"
Maybe if you were one of those people with homes and businesses flooded on Boxing day last year you would understand......
Maybe if you accepted the Brexit vote you wouldn't be throwing the toys out of the pram and boo boo crying about it....
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Micky,
3% and 44%. Very impressive figures, but remind us again what is the huge deficit in real money terms.
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Perhaps you may begin to realise that France and Germany are now licking their lips at the prospect of gobbling up something they have converted for generations. Britain obtained opt outs over the years when the EU tried to restrict The City; effectively trying to weaken the competition.
It is not in the EU's interests to offer the UK a soft exit. The referendum did the damage the UK population handed them advantage on a plate, now they are simply waiting to collect the spoils.
Micky, one minute the French are Paysans happy with EU subsidies next they are going to wipe out thecCity of London, whose experience, expertise and prowess have survived and flourished for a century.
The UK financial institutions, handle, manage and invest by far the greatest amount of funds in Europe, that is why the LSE is the exchange of choice for fund raising.
No other EU country could provide such abilities, you are, once again, fantasising with NO proof.
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I would suggest that France and Germanybare more worried about having to bail out thecItalian banking industry rather than their ambitions to take on the City of London.
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jarvi said
Maybe if you accepted the Brexit vote .................
Where have I said I don't accept the vote?
I don't agree with it or the way it was done - lack of real info of what will happen when the UK leaves
I think the UK have done a silly thing on the back of lies, rumours , scaremongering, misinformation etc
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windtalker wrote:
3% and 44%. Very impressive figures, but remind us again what is the huge deficit in real money terms.
UK exports to EU £229 billion - 13% Exports as % of UK GDP. UK total GDP £1.8 trillion.
EU exports to UK €351 billion - 3% Exports as % of EU GDP. EU total GDP €11.7 trillion.
Source Eurostat and ONS GDP data.
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Micky,
Nice try. The defict up to end of June (Brexit) was the thick end of £50 billion.
Why are the %s of any interest? It's the actual money that matters, and we agree on that, more or less, except that you used 2015 figures.
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This message was last edited by tenerife on 05/12/2016.
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Tadd said
"Where have I said I don't accept the vote?
I don't agree with it or the way it was done - lack of real info of what will happen when the UK leaves
I think the UK have done a silly thing on the back of lies, rumours , scaremongering, misinformation etc"
Try looking back through all your posts, almost all negative about Brexit, and as "for doing a silly thing on the back of lies, rumours , scaremongering, misinformation etc" wasn't project fear part of all that? it is obvious to everyone that loads of remainers cannot and will accept the democratic decision of the people.
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Mickeyfinn,
You wrote " I believe there is a consensus within the European Council to be rid of Britain as quickly as possible. It is not in their best interests to offer any concessions. "
If this is indeed true then is this not a principle that all should recognise and in practice this is the straight jacket and intransigent behaviour that many UK citizens ( and other citizens across Europe) are objecting to ? The bottom line inference being, there is no room for compromise or willingness to listen to citizen concerns, or the concerns of a member state striving for what most ironically acknowledge is well overdue reform.
The demand to accept the status quo without any room for manoeuvre or flexibility to address growing citizen concerns speaks reams.
How can anyone be in support of a system that in practice does not comprehend the significance of such intransigence and inflexibility to respond to growing citizen concerns and the subsequent impact on cohesion and division across Europe?
I thought one of the attributes you were espousing was to retain cohesion across Europe, Mickeyfinn?
How on earth does rhetoric such as " licking of lips" in the context of Germany and France benefiting at the UK's expense assist a spirit of cohesion? There are so many differences and self interests here that IMHO this is exactly why there is a growing need to address reform and look for fair flexibile mechanisms, not stifle that process.
Given the rise of discontent and growing insecurity of citizens (across Europe) from all manner of impacts following the Banking crisis, plus EU failures to adhere to stability mechanisms, speedy accession expansion policy that accentuated the problems without due regard to the need to forward plan, to review the need for transient controls, etc, is it not obvious that intransigence only exacerbates the problems?
In other words the failure to adequately respond to unintended consequences, has in effect proliferated divisions, proliferated distrust in the system.
Time for a wake up call?
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Tenerife.
The trade figures from the Office of National Statistics up to the referendum date of goods coming in and going out of the UK show that the gap between exports and imports in the first three months of 2016 widened by £0.7bn to £23.9bn.
I dont recognise your posted figure of £50 billion.
I admit the EU is not in particularly good shape economically which may well account for some of the deficient. However there is some recent evidence that is about to change with Spain leading the EU in overall performance in 2016.
ONS figures show that Britain had an overall total of £34.7bn deficit in the trade of goods in the first three months of 2016, up by £1.4bn on the final quarter of 2015.
The deficit with the EU accounted for more than two thirds of the shortfall, with the deficit with non-EU countries standing at £10.8bn.The widening in the goods deficit was partly offset by an increase of £0.4bn in the UK’s surplus in services to £21.4bn.
This left an overall deficit in goods and services of £13.3bn in the first quarter of 2016 – the largest since January to March 2008, when the economy was poised to descend into its longest and deepest post-war recession.
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