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BigAl2015,
I'm sure that it would be even more readable in paragraphs. 
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WOW GB 45 is all I can say the Bloody EU has ruined the UK and the Goverments have let this go on and on
MEPs chauffer driven in BMW 7 series living 2 miles from Brussels HQ
Neil Kinnock on 98k Euro pension what a CROC of shit the EU is
Vote OUT OUT OUT
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Done the Spain thing Happier in the UK
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Sorry everyone I can't take credit for my last port.. It was not my work but something that I read on another forum. I just thought it was worth re-posting on here. It must have taken a great deal of time and research to put it together but I take your point about paragraphs Hep.
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One problem being is that the UK's substantial public sector has no experience in business, which is a shame because they ultimately control it. I listened this week to the horrendous Clive Betts MP attempting to justify the circa £2million in legal costs, paid by the public purse in respect of ex South Yorkshire Police Chief Constable David Crompton's involvement in the Hillsborough inquest, you could have been forgiven for thinking that he was talking about £20K.
I dare not even tink how much the eventual compensation payments will be in respect of the abduction, torture, rape and sex trafficing of 1,400 children in Rotherham by Asians. But it's only monopoly money to the public sector, not real as in their personal bank accounts. Sir Cliff Richard has been aquitted of any wrong doing in respect of historic sex abuse charges made by South Yorkshire Police, I wonder what the final cost of this will be. Listening to the British Home Stores Pension Scheme enquiry, I was minded to wonder what the Pensions Regulator was doing when this fiasco was taking place, but will the public sector purse be used to compensate innocent BHS workers?
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GB45,
What a myth this one is. People should really take the time to investigate articles like this if they are going to repost them. The original is a Facebook rant. It has been reposted with no independent research on many forums. Here are some facts. All verifiable.
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant. It wasn’t a UK Company that made the decision. It was the US company Kraft. The EU Grant was to keep the work inside the EU otherwise it was going to go to the US. Poland was seen as a cheaper solution for Kraft than the UK. The alternative was to bring in Polish labour who would work cheaper than UK workers. But Brexit don’t want that do they.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant. I’ve found no evidence of a grant. This followed Jaguar Land Rover’s recent confirmation to double its investment in its engine plant in the UK to almost £1 billion – the largest injection into a new British manufacturing plant in decades creating several hundred new jobs. Basically Tata decided to spread their investment around. A normal practice.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant. Rootes was sold by Chrysler to Peugeot for £1 because it lost so much money and was severely in debt. In 2006 Peugeot moved production to Slovakia because it was still losing so much money in the UK. I can’t find any evidence that there was a grant from the EU to make this move. It all happened ten years ago so not really topical.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. Not true. The Hulls are built in Spain and the assembly and high tech work all happens in Wales keeping 1,300 people in work. There was no EU request. There was no grant. That is a Facebook myth. Manual labour jobs go where labour is cheap. The UK retains the high valued, high paying work.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan. What a myth this one is. Keeping in mind that Dyson supports Brexit. He moved all the manual labour to Malaysia simply because it was cheaper. He then got EU Loan’s to expand the operation in Malmesbury. “We employ 1,300 at Malmesbury - engineers, scientists and people running the business. The decision to shift production to Malaysia was not good for Britain in one sense because we don't employ manual labour any more. But we are taking on more [people over 100 in total] at higher pay rates and more value-added levels and that's what Patricia Hewitt is always asking us to do."
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200. Crown Closures, Inc is a US company. I can’t find any evidence of an EU grant being provided. The company did a restructuring. There was simply too much production to support four sites in the UK and Ireland. Nothing to do with the EU at all.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan. There was no EU loan to do this. M&S faced serious financial difficulty. The UK will never again compete on cost alone in a world where many goods can be made more cheaply elsewhere," said Digby Jones, head of the Confederation of British Industry at the end of last year. Tariff free trade with the EU protects jobs. Otherwise they will all move abroad.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants. Not true. See above
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant. A US Company again and there were no EU Grants.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant. A US company and there were no EU Grants.
I can go on and on for each item, but as this is just from a Facebook blog with no supporting evidence I rest my case.
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Thanks GB45.
Doesn't sound good for Britain and begs many questions of our politicians ( and effectiveness of our pension regulators) especially now that these and other harsh realities are striking home.
And certainly not good longer term for young families if this lack of control over asset stripping subsidised by EU loans, failure to protect citizens pensions, demise of British companies etc becomes a pattern of events, not to mention the growing debt dependency on financial entities that support the remain camp's recent economic reports ( conflict of interests? ).
Radical thinking reqd and time for the British citizens to stamp their mark perhaps?
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Whoever wrote the original article didn't even realise that Turkey is not part of the EU!!! The EU did not give Turkey a Grant for transit Van production!!
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Actually , they did. 27th June 2012, the European Investment Bank granted 80m to Turkey.
Farage questioned Osborne at the time as to why this was allowed.
Regarding Peugeot at Coventry, it was felt that the two year delay of granting an investment loan, was possibly the EU deliberately dragging it's feet whilst Slovakia built a a factory. When Peugeot finally got the loan they were not allowed to use it for a new model.
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It was not a grant. It was a commercial loan of £55million. The loan was for an existing facility. It did not replace the plant in Southampton.
“There is no link between funding in Turkey and the job losses in Southampton. It was an unfortunate decision taken by Ford which impacted on UK jobs.
“Evaluation for this EIB loan was completed in December 2011. At the time of the evaluation, it was foreseen that a version of the new vehicle would continue to be sourced from Ford’s Southampton plant.”
In Feb this year the EIB agreed to loan £500 million to UK Power Networks [EDFIBG.UL] to improve energy infrastructure in southern and eastern England.
Although about 90 percent of projects financed by the EIB are based in EU member countries, the bank does fund projects in about 150 other countries—non-EU Southern European countries, Mediterranean partner countries, Asian and Latin American countries, the members of the Eastern Partnershin and Russia. According to the EIB, it works in these countries to implement the financial pillar of the union's external cooperation and development policies by encouraging private sector development, infrastructure development, security of energy supply and environmental sustainability.
People often confuse the EIB with the Central Bank of the EU. They are not the same thing. Nigel Farage does not know the difference.
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Apologies, my mistake.
I should have said 'granted 80m investment loan'. There were still questions as to why it was allowed. I am also aware that the plant in Turkey already existed.
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No problem blueeys, just wanted to set the record straight You do realise the money was not lent to Turkey, it was lent to Ford, an American Company. But I do understand the point you are making.
By my thinking, if we believe that the USA or any other country is going to roll over and give us a great trade deal we are sadly mistaken. If they or any other country can take us to the cleaners they will do it. I know you do not agree but I feel we are safer with the devil we know.
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This is crazy.
It's been reconfirmed that EU labour is undermining British worker's rates of pay as their UK earnings are worth more in their homeland, with the inference that companies that want to take advantage of the cheapest source of labour will move out of the UK if we don't allow EU workers in, which if you follow the logic through means that in EITHER scenario the UK workers lose out.
So what is the remain camp's solution to this? Is it consistently lower wages which negatively impacts the tax returns and worker's spending power , not to mention the impact on housing, health, education whilst EU migrants remain? Or is it we will no longer employ British manual labour and will just be a conduit for monies going back to other member states leaving the UK with all the negatives? And in that process won't this lead inevitably to unrest and undermine the tolerance that we pride ourselves on?
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Ads, that is the case. It is not the cause or fault of the EU however. British people want higher wages and don't want 'boring' jobs. We never have. The aspiration of every government since WWII has been to create a highly skilled work force attracting work requiring high skilled workers.
And. Business will not debate business. If i can be done cheaper elsewhere that is where the money will flow.
Immigrants add to the labour pool at the bottom end as well as in the highly skilled areas. They also pay taxes and buy houses which creates demand to build houses. After the first generation they see themsleves as British and don't send money to the 'old' country. That is the basis for the success in USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We should be grateful people even still want to come to the UK with those other choices open to them.
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People often confuse the EIB with the Central Bank of the EU. They are not the same thing. Nigel Farage does not know the difference.
What makes you think that?
He does seem to know what he is talking about when he is talking about the Euro (Central Bank).
But who cares, they are both EU institutions.
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Well I saw him in Frankfurt looking for the EIB. Maybe he just got his directions mixed up by a few hundred miles.
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we are safer with the devil we know
Pity it turned out to be a devil though.
You can take it for guaranteed that EU negociators will not be looking after UK PLC's interest.
The reason the EU has failed to come up with many trade deals is the many internal interests and protectionism it has to pander to.
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Well I saw him in Frankfurt looking for the EIB.
Don't suppose he was looking for the EIB he was probably looking for Strasburg but fell asleep on the train.
Should have gone to Brussels and put himself in a document box. He would probably have woken up in the right place.
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We should never allow a company to asset strip and steal money from pension funds whilst still retaining other business interests in the UK. Unethical immoral.....
How does the EU protect workers pension rights?
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The EU was proposing a Financial Transaction Tax which would have hit UK pensions in the same way that Gordon Brown did when he got his sticky fingers in the pot. But I thought that had died a death. Or is it something else waiting until the 24th?
If we are thinking of BHS, and money has gone missing (rather than shortfalls not provided for) then I would ask what were the Trustees up to? (or Trustee Directors, whatever they are now called).
We are supposed to have better protection now than when Maxwell was at large.
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Please would remainers care to comment on the new code of conduct put together by unelected bureaucrats and private companies, regarding free speech on social media platforms. This came about because Merkel asked Zuckerberg how she could suppress negative criticism of her migration policy. Zuckerberg replied 'we have some work to do', not realising he could be overheard.
The resulting code of conduct means facebook, twitter etc will remove 'hate speech' etc within 24 hours. The definition is not defined.
In addition the EU commission wants everyone to have government issued ID cards just to log onto these platforms.
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