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Nothing in the news about any Spanish frigates in the Strait
Another polite request - can you please stop "shouting"
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http://news.sky.com/story/spanish-gunship-in-illegal-incursion-into-british-waters-off-gibraltar-10824884
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Brian
Thanks
seems it is the 7th time this year
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HMS SCIMITAR VERSUS THE P77 INFANTA CHRISTINA
HMS SCIMITAR
Displacement: 24 tons
Length: 16 m
Draught: 1.2 m
Speed: 32 knots
Armament:
2 × General purpose machine guns (stern-mounted)
INFANTA CHRISTINA
Displacement: 1,233 tons
Length: 88.8 m
Draught: 3.8 m
Speed: 25 knots
Armament:
8 - Harpoon SSM
1 - octuple Sea Sparrow SAM
1 - 76 mm gun
2 - 40 mm guns (2 × 1)
1 - two barreled Bofors Anti-submarine mortar
6 - 12.75 in anti submarine torpedo tubes (2 × 3)
Gentle aggravation by the Spanish thats all, and according to 'Rumors' Howards words also rattled the Spanish a little.
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The firepower of the Infanta Christina, and you call that GENTLE aggravation??
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This is getting boring. Why are you taking the bait and reacting to what appears repetitive political mischief making which is another political ploy to try and divide and rule?
Time for citizens to show that such tactical negative ploys only reinforce citizens disillusionment with the political establishment who should be focusing their attention on gaining mutually beneficial solutions rather than divisive negative and alienating tactics.
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The firepower of the Infanta Christina, and you call that GENTLE aggravation??
Yes it is just that, gentle aggravation, it can have all the firepower it likes but wont ever use it, so they cruise about saying 'Look how powerfull we are, you should be afraid' and then we with a ship not much bigger then something that cruises the broads chases it away. I shouldn't think the Royal Navy were that bothered.
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A bit like some men have big cars?
What anatomy were the sailors trying to show off I wonder.
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Brexit: Theresa May suggests free movement extension...
Bwahahahaha.
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Interesting. Link to the story anywhere PP?
And try not to cry, it's not a good look.
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It reads like a comment on open negotiations, but with a Telegraph slant on it for their own headlines.
But if anything else comes along, let us know, it's more interesting than some of the stuff we talked about recently!!!
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When you think about it, "control" means being able to choose the quantity and skill sets required rather than an open door policy.
But it will also require getting the Govt's act in place to , reclaim NHS monies from relevant EU states in the interim periods where applicable ( reciprocal arrangement), having a coordinated forward plan of house building ( already underway in some regions), and who knows some form of balanced benefit system to take better account of differentials.
P.s. Also the Govt have started to address a well overdue apprenticeship strategy via an apprenticeship levy aimed at developing in-house skill sets in construction industry, care sectors etc. BREXIT appears to have kick started reforms that were overlooked or neglected by our previous PM and Chancellor.
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I agree ads, although would put forward that immigration control from the EU was/is self-regulating (controlling) in that people are not going to come to the UK from EU unless there are jobs for them to go to. The remainder of your comments are and always have been within the UK's remit and nothing to do with the EU, with the exception of the generous UK benefit system which is under modification at this time (see headlines on housing benefit) and needs to go further. The problem is that any adjustments to the benefit system results in political and public outcry about failing certain groups or more likely certain individuals who seem to need more help that we want to afford.
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Our posts crossed Perrypower...I hope my p.s. covers some of your points but I still suggest that differentials have been badly neglected by the EU in their forward planning which led to irregular and compromising migration trends ( pull factors) which could have been better accommodated during pre- referendum negotiations. All water under the bridge now, however.
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PP.
there has been much discussion about the benefits system here, and it is a political ideology which crosses right and left politics. Yes it's always a struggle to set up the correct amount of benefit for people's needs, but we do need to remember it is a 'needs based' calculation that should be applied.
Housing benefit changes can tweak the amount of housing available for landlord supply, allowing social stock to be sold etc. This is very true.
But attracting migration through available benefit should be avoided in my view, and if the EU has some ideology about how a country organises benefit to suit incoming people, surely that's wrong isn't it? Or did I miss your main point there?
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Agreed Briando55.
We should all never be too proud to admit to failures but strive for realistic solutions rather than purist ideology that sadly in reality appears to conflict with citizens best intetests.
What is required now are role models in both the UK and EU who demonstrate a greater moral compass willing to review the need for flexibility and review built into systems and policy making, that better balance citizen vulnerabilities and sovereign requirements, with good business sense to the mutual benefit of all, instead of a dogmatic approach that only alienates and divides ( leading to unnecessary unrest).
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" good business sense to the mutual benefit of all, instead of a dogmatic approach that only alienates and divides ( leading to unnecessary unrest)."
Ads can you really see the EU or the UK making good business sense work? we are talking about Politicians not the general public. The two do not go together in a sentence at all, Politicians , and good business sense? dont make me laugh!
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Waffle as much as you like but there is at least five more years of free movement coming at you and with a general election in between all bets are off of ever reaching immigration down to the tens of thousands
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Brian
But attracting migration through available benefit should be avoided
I agree but why are the UK not doing something similar to other EU states where migrants do not get benefits
How many other EU member states have a benefit system that attracts migrants?
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