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One share I would definately unload is Eurotunnel because the French are probably going to let all those Calais campers through when we leave and just let anyone in after we LEAVE I would not be surprised if we dont Block it up our end to be on the safe side even temorarily for a few years
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Good one Hugh that did make me smile. As we have a natural moat around the UK maybe we can add gun turrets and salt water crocs as well.
Only problem is how will Hep and I get out to enjoy our time in Spain? 
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@hugh
One share I would definately unload is Eurotunnel because the French are probably going to let all those Calais campers through when we leave and just let anyone in after we LEAVE I would not be surprised if we dont Block it up our end to be on the safe side even temorarily for a few years
You do realise that we have UK Border Force personnel checking the Eurostar trains over in France? Just like the French have their customs and border guards at St Pancras checking on people going the other way. As this is the Le Touquet agreement (nothing to do with the EU) then that probably won't stop.
Of course, when you have fortress England up and running and no trains to catch, no planes to get to those nasty European places then you can start on the ferries. Pull down the curtains and revert to the British shell whilst the rest of the world gets on with living in the 21st century and you can continue your dreams of going back to the 19th century and having a British Empire all over again. Except nobody will want to join.
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You hooked one well there hugh. 
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I wonder how many now recognise generalisations and stereotyping of this nature from both camps ironically only leads to greater division and alienation?
Hilarious if it wasn't do sad... :(
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Oops, repetition of post!
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The pound has jumped the most against the dollar in seven years, as traders reassessed the likelihood of the UK leaving the European Union.
The pound hit $1.4693, a rise of more than three cents, or 2.34%, the biggest one-day gain since March 2009.
The bounce followed several polls over the weekend that suggested a very tight race, but that the Leave campaign may have lost a little momentum.
The FTSE 100 also rose, with shares closing 3% higher on Monday.
That is the biggest one-day gain since February.
Betfair, a firm that has taken in tens of millions of pounds in referendum-related bets, says the likelihood of a remain vote has risen from 65% on Friday to 72% on Monday.
"The pause in the campaign seems to have lent crucial support to team Remain," said Kathleen Brooks, research director at Gain Capital.
"The markets have always been more comfortable with the UK remaining in the European Union."
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More irony, that market traders who have self interest to remain are the ones currently influencing the debate (whether directly or indirectly) by their trading practices.
Likewise the irony that the financial institutions and large corporations in whom the remain campaign have relied for their economic evidence are also direct benefactors of remain.
But the rub to this is the hypocrisy to imply that exit voters are all tarred with the same brush as right wingers with xenophobic thoughts, all wishing to return to a past British Empire, to a form of fortress Brtain, what nonsense when in reality many are thinking quite the opposite but seeking control of their fate.
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And to all those who think that Leaving the Eu will open a gold mine in the Far East, the reality could not be farther from the truth.
Brexit to hurt capital flows into India, Indian mncs to suffer setback
The United Kingdom's referendum scheduled to take place on June 23 that will determine whether UK 'Remains' or 'Leaves' the European Union is likely to hit the Indian sub-continent as well, affecting capital flows amid an adverse impact on Indian establishements settled overseas.
Britain has always been considered a golden investment destination by most Indian business houses because of the easy access that it provides to over 500 million Europeans. This is because of the ornate legal and tax system that the nation boasts of. Also, it ranks high in the World Bank’s 'ease of doing business' indicator, having a liberal tax system.
According to data by the British government, UK is the third largest source of foreign direct investment in India. Indian companies are the third-largest source of foreign direct investment for the UK. According to a corporate report by The Guardian, over 800 Indian MNCs are operating in the UK, employing over 110,000 people. The report also mentioned that these companies generate over 260 million pounds as annual turnover, which is likely to receive a setback if 'Leave' votes surpass 'Remain' on June 23.
Tata Motors’ largest overseas selling flagship product, Jaguar and Land Rover is also UK’s largest automotive and manufacturing business, contributing around 90 percent to Tata Motors’ operational profit. A vote to exit the EU can have employment implications as well, in the form of fewer hiring and slashing of current employees in a bid of cost cutting.
Brexit is also likely to endanger the flow of investment and personnel by diminishing Britain's role in providing access to Europe. Further, depreciation in the GBP/EUR is also likely to cause headaches to the Indian economy, especially in an environment of sluggish export growth. According to Goldman Sachs, sterling is predicted to drop almost 15-20 percent immediately in the aftermath of Brexit.
Other companies such as Tata Steel, The Bombay Burmah Trading Corporation, and Cox & Kings may also suffer troubles on account of Brexit as they too have important subsidiaries in Britain.
Apart from adversely affecting India, UK, undoubtedly, will suffer if Brexit happens. The nation’s real estate prices will hurt, inflation will also surge as imports become expensive. Further, London’s image as the financial hub of the world may also take a beating. As investor sentiment will be hurt, that might trigger a downfall in flow of money into the economy.
Source: FxWire Pro - Commentary
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And to all those who think that Leaving the Eu will open a gold mine in the Far East
No-one thinks that. So what is the point in saying it?
Typical stupid straw man argument.
We should all put up our own reasons for leaving or staying.
If we can then argue our case cogently with facts we should hope others may take notice.
Endless bombardment with opinions and articles by others should come with perforations at each end.
BTW the UK has to enact all the decisions of the EU whether we want to or not so the fact they end up in UK law is niether here nor there (Except in the prceedings of Westminster which are several times as thick as they used to be - size I'm talking about, but the other probably applies as well).
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Tata appears a strange example to quote in this context as they have been quoted as observing " the Tatas need to stay invested in India rather than focusing on stagnant and bleeding businesses in Europe" . And this is before any exit. Not to mention Tata Steels pension deficit and impact on their workers in the UK.
Likewise Golman Sachs has been discredited with relation to Europe as demonstrated with their improper ( some would suggest fraudulent activity) in connection to Greece's accession, not to mention the following observations already stated, which beg many questions.
The ascension of Mario Monti to the Italian prime ministership is remarkable for more reasons than it is possible to count. By replacing the scandal-surfing Silvio Berlusconi, Italy has dislodged the undislodgeable. By imposing rule by unelected technocrats, it has suspended the normal rules of democracy, and maybe democracy itself. And by putting a senior adviser at Goldman Sachs in charge of a Western nation, it has taken to new heights the political power of an investment bank that you might have thought was prohibitively politically toxic. This is the most remarkable thing of all: a giant leap forward for, or perhaps even the successful culmination of, the Goldman Sachs Project. It is not just Mr Monti. The European Central Bank, another crucial player in the sovereign debt drama, is under ex-Goldman management, and the investment bank's alumni hold sway in the corridors of power in almost every European nation, as they have done in the US throughout the financial crisis. Until Wednesday, the International Monetary Fund's European division was also run by a Goldman man, Antonio Borges, who just resigned for personal reasons. Even before the upheaval in Italy, there was no sign of Goldman Sachs living down its nickname as "the Vampire Squid", and now that its tentacles reach to the top of the eurozone, sceptical voices are raising questions over its influence. The political decisions taken in the coming weeks will determine if the eurozone can and will pay its debts – and Goldman's interests are intricately tied up with the answer to that question. Simon Johnson, the former International Monetary Fund economist, in his book 13 Bankers, argued that Goldman Sachs and the other large banks had become so close to government in the run-up to the financial crisis that the US was effectively an oligarchy. At least European politicians aren't "bought and paid for" by corporations, as in the US, he says. "Instead what you have in Europe is a shared world-view among the policy elite and the bankers, a shared set of goals and mutual reinforcement of illusions." This is The Goldman Sachs Project. Put simply, it is to hug governments close. Every business wants to advance its interests with the regulators that can stymie them and the politicians who can give them a tax break, but this is no mere lobbying effort. Goldman is there to provide advice for governments and to provide financing, to send its people into public service and to dangle lucrative jobs in front of people coming out of government. The Project is to create such a deep exchange of people and ideas and money that it is impossible to tell the difference between the public interest and the Goldman Sachs interest.
Doesn't inspire confidence in the European project that allows itself to be " hugged" so close by a financial entity with such questionable methods and intents, does it?
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Excuse me tteeddd, but Brexit keeps saying if we leave the EU we will be embraced by the World as the land of Milk and Honey that everyone wants to trade with. Thing is, it is just claptrap from Brexit Central and when counter arguments with real substance are put forward it is always...oooooh scare mongering, or straw man, or but, but , but. If Leave can't put up they should...
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Nissan and five other companies are sueing vote leave for misrepresentation. Seems they have used their logo without permission and have tried to make it sound like those companies support Leave.
Now before tteedd gets all whipped up that it is just repeating news, here is one that is an exclusive for you...
The Brexit Battle Bus and several Leave Brochures used the NHS Logo with out consent and without prior consultation, naughty Boris, just can't trust him can we...Here is the email response I got from NHS Identity who controls use of the LOGO.
Good Afternoon Perry
Thank you for your email.
The letters ?NHS? and the NHS logo are registered UK trade marks. As such, they can only be used by NHS organisations, or on services and information where the NHS has involvement.
The organisation you refer to is not authorised to use the NHS Trademark, or an adaptation of it. Therefore, the Department of Health is now in contact with the organisation about this matter.
The NHS Identity (letters and logo) generates high levels of trust and reassurance among patients and the public. Therefore, please be reassured we take unauthorised use, or adaptation of the NHS trademark, very seriously.
Kind regards
Brexit are out of control and need to be slapped down me thinks.
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Wont be long now then at least either way we can move on with whom ever wins good luck to both sides
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More than happy if a comercial company wants to protect it's trademark. But if I were the commercial director the more instances of it in the media the happier I would be.
As for NHS I would suggest those symbols belong to all of us and either both sides should be able to use them or neither. But then (I forgot) you think it was OK for the government to use taxpayers money and resources to promote one side of the argument when it had agreed a free and fair referendum with expenditure limited to £7.5M on each side.
Not much point in having a referendum if you are going to weight the dice. But never mind when we get the 'out' vote it will be uncontrovertable.
'Milk and Honey'
You are making that up as well. You really do not have an argument of your own.
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Sterling Euro traded up to 1.30. Brexit must be really anxious. It's all gone quiet over there.
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Only a couple of days to go and still no concrete facts from the exiters of what will happen should the uk exit
Then last night I heard that nutter farage being interviewed anyone who believes or trusts that man must be ...............
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Sadly neither has there been factual evidence of what will happen if we remain, most importantly no concrete facts about how reform and treaty change will ever be effectively attained given the status quo, nor details of how greater accountability will be achieved, nor greater transparency re how powerful financial entities and corporations currently hold power and sway within Europe and it's institutions such that they can " massage " evidence to their own effect, influence policy making and inhibit reform to enable citizens genuine concerns to gain a voice without constant attempts to discredit, to give vent to all manner of underhand tactics that only alienate and further divide a nation of citizens desperately seeking honest facts and workable solutions to firsthand concerns that continue to impact their lives.
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Gove on the news today saying he favours a Canadian or Australian point system for immigration.
Canada immigration 300,000 population 30 million rate is 1%
Australia immigration 220,000 population 22 million rate is 1%
UK immigration is 330,000 population is 62 million rate is 0.5%
So basically Gove (head of Leave campaign) wants to double immigration into the UK, is that right?
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Sadly neither has there been factual evidence of what will happen if we remain
I disagree
Even if nothing changes in the EU then we still know what to expect if we remain good and bad (many things in the UK are good and bad in or out)
As for future changes to the EU we will be at the table etc.
Being out we absolutely know nothing, zilch as to what will happne and will have no say on how the EU reforms. the UK will stil have to abide by many EU directives even if they are reformed / reviewed and even any negotiations with the EU and RoW will not be one way and the UK will not get everything it may want.
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