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06 Feb 2017 10:11 AM by Jimbofinn Star rating in Chiclana De La Front.... 224 posts Send private message

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Interesting article in El Pais today: Premier Rajoy's view on Brexit. follow the link:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/02/03/inenglish/1486110251_505557.html



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06 Feb 2017 10:54 AM by Mickyfinn Star rating in Spain and France. 1833 posts Send private message

Thanks Jimbo for that link.

"The two leaders agreed on the need to not damage the interests of citizens living in each other’s countries".

I hope the new French president whoever that is also agrees.



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06 Feb 2017 11:13 AM by hugh_man Star rating in Kent/Roda . 1593 posts Send private message

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pp

There is absolutely no credit to you or others in trying to insult posters or decry what any of us do or did for living.

As many posters and others have stated, the Euro currently serves to keep German exports competitive but many of the smaller couture swish for more fiscal loosening as they are currently struggling and suffering and at the mercy of Germany, it does not help EU citizens.

What is does help is central and regional governments to receive massive EU grants and handouts, supposedly designed to create wealth and jobs.

Where are the jobs, other than in Germany and why have so many of the receiving politicians spent vast amounts on white elephant projects that do nothing for the long term future of the receiving nation or its citizens other than for the politicians to say, arent we wonderful, we have just built an airport with no flights, or a toll road to nowhere.

Have you not noticed in Europe a marked and general disillusionment and even protests with many sitting governments, or do you not read International news?





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06 Feb 2017 11:24 AM by BigAl2015 Star rating. 194 posts Send private message

PP

Why the hostility?

I am not aware of any poster on here who has put their life on hold WAITING FOR YOU TO GIVE THEM CREDIT...

YOU are not as important as you think YOU ARE.

And what the hell is wrong with being a plumber?

 


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06 Feb 2017 12:05 PM by perrypower1 Star rating in Derbyshire/Fuerteven.... 647 posts Send private message

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a plumber, except on this board if you are from Poland then it seems to be okay to be bashed.  The DayDream B*leavers don't want them here   Remember that is the basic underlying argument all of you keep making and voted for.  You voted for it so now you need to own it.

People who make hostile comments, such as tteedd feels happy to do, should expect the same in return.

Posters open themselves up to a critique of their comments it is part of the forum.  If you make weak or incorrect comments you should expect others to point out the weakness or errors in your views.  

Why are all the DayDream B*Leavers on here so busy telling the EU how to run itself?.  We are leaving and the EU does not need the UK (US puppet) to tell them how it should be done.





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06 Feb 2017 12:27 PM by BigAl2015 Star rating. 194 posts Send private message

PP

Cannot find anything hostile or personal from Tedd in the last couple of days, whereas your comments were personal and hostile.





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06 Feb 2017 12:33 PM by perrypower1 Star rating in Derbyshire/Fuerteven.... 647 posts Send private message

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You didn't look very hard...

What fair value estimates? - the internationaly renowned Mickfinn index?





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06 Feb 2017 12:34 PM by BigAl2015 Star rating. 194 posts Send private message

Hardly 'personal or hostile' was it?





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06 Feb 2017 12:44 PM by ads Star rating. 4134 posts Send private message

EU adherence to rule of law Mickeyfinn?

 

With respect, please tell that to thousands of citizens who looked to their MEPs for support with regard to protection of property rights across member states, lack of financial regulation and monitoring systems to ensure banks were made compliant with ethical behaviour and legal practice, lack of financial resources and adequate monitoring systems to ensure timely and consistent justice and enforcement procedures were adhered to, etc, only to be told that such issues were not within the remit of the EU given current Treaty arrangements.

 

And all of the above was brought to the attention of the EU Commission via a succession of petitions highlighting large scale ongoing abuses from collusion (lawyers/developers/agents), legal malpractice / lack of due diligence, illegal  licences and town hall maladminstration, illegal demolitions and retrospective changes to coastal laws without any form of compensatory structures in place to protect, banks negligences to adhere to purchasers inalienable rights ( adherence to existing law Ley 57/68) with large scale failures to provide obligatory bank guarantees when purchasing offplan properties etc. The list goes on and on.

 

So what transpired in reality?

Continuing failure by the EU Commission when presented with petition evidence (s) to ensure EU Treaty change I'm afraid, effectively leaving thousands of innocent citizens to their own devices to fight against corruption and major financial negligences, with little concerted effort to follow through necessary treaty changes or infringement processes against member states ( a process already in place to protect), and thereby ensure member states adequately honoured their commitment to adhere to the rule( s) of law.


Were the EU Commissioners ( in full knowledge via petitions) willing to address necessary reform to Treaty arrangements to ensure adherence to the rule of law and protection of citizen's rights? The answer is a resounding NO.

 

Bureaucrats were more concerned about their own member states upcoming elections and any requirement for treaty change to resolve problems relating to citizen protection prior to their elections was of minor significance and appeared way down the pecking order.

 

The bottom line for many fighting the Banks was that without EU protection from infringement rights or Treaty change to make member states accountable, by allocating the necessary financial resources to justice and court systems that were overloaded with claims (essential financial provision required to ensure timely and consistent justice across the varied regions), thousands upon thousands of citizens were left under immense financial  strain and risk until such time as member states Supreme Courts reached rulings that could act as jurisprudence to support their rightful claims. And in the abusively lengthy interim periods in regions that failed to receive adequate resource, all manner of other Banking failures have come to light further exacerbating the court and judicial system (s).

 

And that is not to mention the thousands of citizens compromised and left uncompensated by illegal licences,  illegal demolitions, town hall mal-administrations, retrospective changes to coastal laws where citizens have been used as pawns in ongoing disputes between local and regional authorities.

 

So please don't imply that rule of law and protection of citizens rights, a fundamental basic principle, has been adequately recognised by the EU Commission in order to ensure member states adherence ( adequate resourcing of justice systems) during this last decade and beyond. They had full knowledge of the many and growing injustices.

Their references to rule of law appears merely as rhetoric intended to appease citizens demands, with little or no commitment by the EU Commission to rectify and prioritise these basic fundamental principles

 

According to UK select committee questioning the requirement for treaty change also applies to freedom of movement in so much as once again there was little bureaucratic  appetite for treaty change prior to member state upcoming elections ( to review the need for fairer factoring mechanisms to counter compromising pull factors and abuse of in- work benefits etc).

 

It appears that growing citizen concerns relating to freedom of movement across Europe have been considered way down the pecking order in terms of essential reforms.


As for suggesting the majority of  Europeans are content with the status quo, tell that to those member states citizens facing major unemployment, where citizens have had little option but to leave their families and flea abroad in search of work, to those who have seen living standards compromised by large scale uncontrolled migration, those exposed to growing citizen unrest and the threat from the potential growth of political extremes.

 

Tell that to those who believed that stability mechanisms would be adhered to, mechanisms intended to act as fair balance between member states so that no one member state ( such as Germany) would benefit beyond defined boundaries at the expense of others.

 

Tell that to those who have witnessed the turning of blind eyes to accession criteria,  that subsequently led to a nation state ( Greece) being crippled by repayment of debt under the most onerous unrealistic timeframes with little compassion or comprehension of the impact on a generation of citizens.

 

I wouldn't call such a system something to aspire to, I would call it a system in dire need of major reform with far greater priority given to citizens needs and rights and far greater accountability by those responsible for such major failings, all in the name of ideology striving for a federal state within unrealistic timeframes that pay scant regard to the need for flexibility, for adequate forward planning, for adherence to the rule of law and mechanisms intended to protect.

 





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06 Feb 2017 12:48 PM by windtalker Star rating. 1949 posts Send private message

Perrypower1 you are a sore Remoner looooooooser ,but one thing you have got right in your last post is there is nothing bad about being a Plumber in the UK  ( being a plumber myself )..........as long as you are not looking for a job after doing 3 years training only to be told that there are no jobs ,and the reason behind this is that the Contractors Agencies are bringing in Poles/Romanians/Portages/Bulgarian plumbers in to the UK that work for below the accepted rate of pay they share rooms in b&b 6 people to one room or rent caravans ,they work in the UK for 3 weeks and then go back home for one week taking the money they have made back to be spent in their homeland ,this is what is happening on building sites all over the UK not just in the Plumbing trade all the trades on building site's are being undercut.

 


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06 Feb 2017 12:59 PM by Mickyfinn Star rating in Spain and France. 1833 posts Send private message

I prefer the Big Mac index which indicates Sterling in undervalued from fair value since the referendum result in 2016.smiley

Ads - You keep harping on the same old same old and never actually answer my question. Which is if the EU commission is so undermining it citizens rights and negligent in the matters you suggest where are the protests movements and demonstrations? Why is there not a stronger movement from EU nations to leave?

Even in France, perhaps the principal Eurosceptic nation in the block the NF can only stump up 20% of the vote.

Recently we have seen protests in Romanian when their national government tried to pull a fast one. If the EU Commission is as bad as you say I would expect similar actions. There are none. So the conclusion must be that the majority of EU citizens are fairly content with the status quo.

You have had your vote, your country is leaving the EU and good riddance to the moaning British. Please why continue with such anti EU waffle? It cuts little ice in Europe as your one woman crusade tends to prove. 



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06 Feb 2017 1:11 PM by ads Star rating. 4134 posts Send private message

Mickeyfinn,

I am confused by your response as why is the call and requirement for well overdue EU reform  and accountability of the EU Commission so offensive to you?

In terms of citizens actions, do you suggest waiting until such time as unrest proliferates further before taking action to reform?

 


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06 Feb 2017 1:33 PM by perrypower1 Star rating in Derbyshire/Fuerteven.... 647 posts Send private message

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The U.K. Has given up its place at the EU table to lobby for reforms.  That is no longer our business.  We need to concentrate on our exit strategy.   The EU is quite capable of sorting itself...it does not need the UK.





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06 Feb 2017 1:36 PM by perrypower1 Star rating in Derbyshire/Fuerteven.... 647 posts Send private message

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38878091

Brexit vote already bad for firms, bosses say





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06 Feb 2017 1:49 PM by BigAl2015 Star rating. 194 posts Send private message

Most of the business leaders (96%) who responded said they were confident their company could adapt to the consequences of leaving the EU.





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06 Feb 2017 2:00 PM by mariadecastro Star rating in Algeciras (Cadiz). 9419 posts Send private message

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A client contacted me today thinking of donating his house in Murcia to his kids before BREXIT. Sharing answer with you here:

Dear xxxxx:

There is a reduction of 99% of the Donation tax in Murcia if:

1) Donation is in favor of Group I or II relatives

A)  Group I: Descendants and adopted children under 21 years old.

B) Group II: Descendants and adopted children over 21 years old, spouses, ascendants and adopters

 

2) House will be habitual dwelling of the donee

3) Up to 150.000€

4) House must stay in donee´s patrimony for 5 years

5) Tax payer ( donee) must have no other property when house is being donated

6) Pre-existing patrimony of donee must be under 402.6787.11€ and family incomes must be lower than IPREMx4


Our fees for handling the deal are of 15 of property price with a minimum of 1815€.

Kind regards

Maria



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06 Feb 2017 2:16 PM by perrypower1 Star rating in Derbyshire/Fuerteven.... 647 posts Send private message

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And

More than half of them (54%) said the most important thing for the UK to obtain during exit negotiations was the movement or access of skilled labour. 

In order for businesses to be successful post-Brexit, 86% of executives thought the most important factors were cutting the amount and complexity of regulation, and keeping it easy to recruit staff from the European Union.





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06 Feb 2017 2:23 PM by BigAl2015 Star rating. 194 posts Send private message

PP

Nothing worng with 'controlled migration',

If labour is needed from the EU, even after Brexit, I don't see a problem.

Now 'uncontrolled migration' I do have a problem with.

if it's the dog wagging the tail rather than the tail wagging the dog.





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06 Feb 2017 2:45 PM by ads Star rating. 4134 posts Send private message

06 Feb 2017 3:00 PM by ads Star rating. 4134 posts Send private message

Perrypower,

As I understood it many European members states leaders were hoping that Brexit would be the catalyst for change and necessary reform, and are keen to retain good trade deals with the UK post Brexit, but it appears the EU Commission whose ideological stance and intransigence are against such, intent on scapegoating the UK in that process.

 


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