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Example. http://facts4eu.org/news_apr_2017.shtml#when_do_27_become_28
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Tadd. It looks like you have got your wish early.
Ryanair appear to be going on strike in Alicante from Friday, so no planes.
It doesn't look like it's a Brexit issue though, these people look to have been underpaying around 60% of their staff by upwards of 1000 euros each.
I wonder if this company are registered in the EU ? They look to have the required bully boy qualifications from recent news eh.
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Brian
Tadd. It looks like you have got your wish early.
What are you on about ?
All I did was post about what is being reported in a lot of the media and comments from the airliens and their concerns they have about brexit, the lack of clarity of the open skies agreement, and what will happen if this is not sorted
Obviously you are an expert and know more than all the airlines and know all about what will happen with everything once the UK leaves the EU even though you have no plan, no proof, no certainty
All you want to do is insult thsoe who disagree with you
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No Tadd, Im no expert.
But I do know the airlines will not stop flying because of the brexit negotiations, and im trying to point out in a banter type way that anyone who actully thinks they are, or intimates they are, may perhaps be scaremongering?
What do you think, will they stop flying, or not stop flying, because of Brexit?
Do you think the negotiations concerning airlines 'open skies agreement' will stop airlines operating licences?
Maybe a 'fake news' report from somewhere?
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Brian
I do not know the answer but from what I have read the airlines are concerned and they are lobbying to get something sorted out before it is too late which makes sense to me.
Some EU officials have advised for UK based airlines to move - is that fake news I do not know but they seem pretty serious
If the negotaiting team on both sides ignore the airlines then who knows
How do you know for certain that the airlines will not stop flying - what proof do you have (other than your view) yet their is evidence showing that they are concerned and it may happen why ignore it and belittle it
Many more issues wil come up during the negotiations which will have an impact on the UK - it will not be all plain sailing and the only losers will be the Uk and its citizens
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Tadd
No one is an expert but we as hell don't believe ALL the BS written about Brexit and perhaps we seek further clarification such as
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/iceland-norway-to-implement-eu-us-open-skies-traffic-rights-336353/
Suggesting that non EU members are included in Open Skies
or this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedoms_of_the_air
A 1994 agreement, still in place permitting airlines to fly between non domestic countries.
** EDITED - Against forum rules **
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Tadd
I wouldn't worry about the airlines, Trump will be keeping them all out of the skies pretty soon. 
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** EDITED - Against forum rules ** it was intended as a suggestion to research other views than those coming out of Brussels attempting to create unrest in the UK so that the EU can get the best deal for them.
negotiations are about mutually beneficial deals NOT excluding a valuable partner.
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No tadd,your right I don't know the sun will come up tomorrow for sure, but I reckon I'm right.
Thats good enough for me and my citizens!!
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If the EU aren't prepared to negotiate a similar deal to what other non EU countries can get, then they are simply being vindictive, and not caring about their own citizens. The project, the project is all they care about.
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Once again insults where they are not necessray ** EDITED - Against forum rules **
The news is coming from the airlines themselves and they have no axe to grind with teh UK or its citizens or teh vote all they ar einterste in is a profitable business
tenerife - why shoudl the EU give anyone preference over their own project the UK are leaving and why shoudl they care about the UK. 27 members wil be the priority of the EU not the UK
brian - of course if you think you are right you don't need proof but when others have a view you demand proof and when industry experts are raising concerns you ignore or dismiss it all for the good of what? Head in sand. comes to mind
The flights may not stop and the negotiators might come to theri senses but we shall see
Why are easyjet looking to relocate their HQ to EU? Why are all airliens getting together on this
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Tadd,
I know i said that i wouldn't respond to any more of your posts, but i will just one more time. I'm saying that the EU should treat ALL non EU countries in a fair manner. I didn't imply that the UK or anyone else should get preferential treatment.
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The point is the airlines are making is that the UK need to have a new agreement as a non memebr of the EU they will no longer be part of the current agreement but both parrties are saying nothing can be concluded until a full deal is agred which is crazy by both the UK and the EU
The EU do treat most non EU countries in a fair manner and the USA for example is part of the open skies agreement
Good you are not implying or expecting any preferential treatment (many are though) as the UK wil not get any and if EU member states offer better terms and opportunities for UK business to move to the EU then good luck to them.
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“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge”
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And a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
oh and 'play it where it lies'. That's a good one too 😋
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Tadd, you are wasting your time with the Brexit lot. They read news like
http://facts4eu.org/news.shtml
and think it is the unbiased truth. Basically, this lot are so worried that their Brexit vision will not come true, that those with the power will regain the sanity and put a halt to the whole silly thing, that they are creating a sudo-project fear.
They refuse to confront genuine concerns and issues instead trying to make them sound like you, me and Mickey are creating panic.
What is interesting to note is that the EU's Article 50 response leaves the door open to rescind Brexit; I know that must be causing this lot to squirm...although Brian will want proof he squirms. Ads will write a sermon about it and Hugh_man does not understand that negotiations are two sided.
Brexit is doomed if people really think they are going to get a divorce for nothing, a free trade deal with no free movement and that 500 million people need 50 million more than vice versa
I'll say it again, repetition helps it sink in, we will see a General Election before we see Brexit.
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Incapable of reading the written word ??
From previous post
"negotiations are about mutually beneficial deals NOT excluding a valuable partner"
You may be right about an election, but I think you may be disappointed or surprised at the outcome. 😉
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Hugh,
you need to walk the walk...you said:
"it was intended as a suggestion to research other views than those coming out of Brussels attempting to create unrest in the UK so that the EU can get the best deal for them"
Meanwhile the Brexiters are attempting to create unrest in the UK and the EU to get a fantasy deal for the UK. Ain't gonna happen.
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yes they all seem to either have their heads in the sand or looking through rose tinted spectacles.
All they can do is insult, name call and attack anyone who says anything that they don't like - no respect just rude but it can be amusing at times
I use a number of forums who have a lot more contributors from both sides of brexit and they are far more respectful than the "little gang of brexiters" on here
I also have many discussions with friends and family on brexit and none of them, not even the hard brexiters, are as bad as this "little gang of brexiters" on here.
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Just been watching a fascinating informative and transparent BBC Parliament program where Fabian Picardo , Chief Minister of Gibraltar was providing evidence and being cross questioned by the Parliamentary Select Committee (from January 25th 2017 1 hour 50 mins in total !!!), where all manner of topics relating to BREXIT were covered by cross party members.
Should be available shortly on BBC iplayer…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08f4g5m
Highly recommend listening to this on BBC iplayer as a "live" session for those wishing to comprehend the details as they currently exist and how they hope to move forward.
But also other cross party Select Committee sessions where understandable concerns relating to British expats living in Europe have been covered…. all of which is intended to act as evidence capture to better assist policy making. :)
As an aside to this, I wonder if the EU have an equivalent transparent open session where the general public can witness close cross questioning and evidence giving of this nature, to act as not only an educative tool but also a vehicle to gain greater accountability?
P.s. The generalised ( again) inference
that all Brexiteers fit one mould where they only look to a narrow perspective, could equally be suggested for some remainers on this thread but IMHO this judgemental tack is unproductive and divisive and goes against good debate, where all are entitled to air their views and sources of evidence.
This thread was (and continues to be ) a means of listening to a wide perspective of views but IMHO to personalise and belittle sadly does a grave disservice to the debate.
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