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Baz 1946 what's difficult about asking someone for a EHIC card in the UK to check if they are eligible for free treatment .......That's what the Spanish do when you turn up at a Spanish hospital if you have no EHIC then you will have to produce a health insurance policy or you will not get treatment or maybe you could do the same as the British Gray line ducker and divers do and just borrow a EHIC with someone else's name on it .
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The most recent Freedom of Information request found that 84,000 EU migrant families claimed tax credits in 2013-14 and had been issued a national insurance number in the previous four years.
Some estimates suggest that one big source of migrant ‘benefit’ is housing benefit, paid out to low-paid EU nationals who often live in private rented housing.
On the vexed issue of British child benefit paid out to EU migrants who leave their children in their home countries, the most recent figures suggest that £27m is paid out every year.
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UNSKILLED migrants to Britain drain thousands of pounds more from the country than they contribute, according to a group of economists backing the end of uncontrolled immigration after Brexit.
Each person coming to the UK without any skills costs taxpayers an average £3,500 each year in welfare and support, research by Economists for Free Trade (EFT) has said.
On the other hand, skilled migration helps boost the economy.
The lobby group is arguing for a post-Brexit visa system, which promotes the immigration of skilled workers.
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windtalker - Mickyfinn I am still waiting for you or your mate Perryower1 to define emergency Treatment on the EHIC card .
In France it's regarded as anything potential life threatening. I think everyone knows what emergency treatment is.
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Anyone care to explain what any of this has to do with UK leaving the EU?
Follow the thread of discussion backwards. - Government lack of planning for eventualities including a leave vote in the referendum.
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Doctors
Thousands could leave
On the other hand they might not.
Non news from a disinterested body?
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Amazing how many of those who voted to leave try and ensure everyone that migration had nothing to do with their voting
I have wanted to leave since 1993. Large sections of the conservative party have been anti EU since the late 70's. The socialists were mostly in favour of leaving until 1975 and many of them were sitll anti into the 90's.
Amazing how the remoaners want to paint everyone racist bigots. Calling people who disagree with you racist has been a common despicable tactic for about 15 years. It is beginning to loose it's edge.
This message was last edited by tteedd on 01/03/2017.
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Looking for the responsibility for the NHS to treat immigrants, i have just read this page;
http://www.nhs.uk/nhsengland/thenhs/about/pages/nhscoreprinciples.aspx
It lists the NHS core principals, and nowhere within it does it state that ANY immigrant MUST be treated, so Doctor Simon Stallworthy you need to climb off your high moral horse when you are quoted in the free press,
" Dr Simon Stallworthy described it as “disgusting”, saying it was not the role of the NHS to be “actively working to kick migrants out”.In an email to the Guardian he added: “Many doctors would boycott it. The NHS is founded on the principle that healthcare should be free and accessible to all and that we, as doctors, make our decisions about what’s best for our patients without external influence or pressure."
I feel his quote "healthcare should be free and accessible to all" is his personal corruption of the spirit of the core values of the NHS, which is to supply free unhindered medical treatment to a UK resident, but nowhere does it define the core value as this. Then again , if treatment was availablr "to all" as Dr Stallworthy claims, it would no longer be the NATIONAL Health Service, it would be called something like the "Free Health Service Open To All Including Foreignors". As its the National Health Service i think these doctors with their high ideals are being romantic to say the least, and is obviously an area where health care is misdirected.
Also, where does non treatment of a migrant mean the NHS is actively seeking to kick migrants out? To me it just means a migrant does not get free treatment, Treatment that they are not entitled to for nothing.
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Fully agree windtalker, but isn't the EHIC card only for us to show when abroad, would a pregnant African have such to show?
I was told by a quite high up guy in the NHS that for the most part our people are to busy to bother to follow up with a charge to the treated persons own government, maybe some hospitals do and some don't, I do think we should.
We keep getting told how successful the tech world is and if we all had ID cards and showed up at the front counter of hospitals or doctors a couple of clicks and surely that would prove who's entitled or not, it seems every straight forward idea gets thrown out.
You can't keep moaning about the lack of funds in the NHS yet give millions away only to tax the people of the country in the hope that cures the shortfall.
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Tteedd, You dont seem to be paying attention to the many facets of the UK leaving the EU, Healthcare and Migrants getting free treatment is as much an aspect of Brexit as any other, Different matters within the UK and its community are things that get people to form opinions which they make decisions on, and then voted in the referendum, and their residents using healthcare is just one such matter, just as immigration, free trade, free movent, Etc, Etc,Etc, all relate to. Your blinkered view is why there was such an uncertain vote on the day, and why people are being so vocal now, after so long.
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Baz, I so agree we should all carry valid UK identity cards, but last time it was tried the dogooders wailed so much, the final decision was that a current picture type driving licence carried enough personal information that the government were happy it was as good as an identity card, but there are many residents still who dont drive.
Also for all UK born people we are all issued with a National Insurance number, at working age, which relates to any benefit payments to that person in the event of claiming benefits, and also when working to enable your contribution to the system. Why is this not used when entering hospital, or your GP?
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tteedd
Amazing how the remoaners want to paint everyone racist bigots. Calling people who disagree with you racist has been a common despicable tactic for about 15 years
Amazing how adept you have become at twisting words.
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baz - but isn't the EHIC card only for us to show when abroad,
All EU citizens are entitled to a EHIC. It is a European wide passport to receive emergency care within any affilliated EU state and EEA states. Citizens of other none EU states have no such rights. Why the NHS treats people from Nigeria not resident in the UK for free is beyond me
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Your blinkered view
Robert. Bit nonplussed by this. Not sure what view you are talking about, blinkered or otherwise. All my recent posts have been in response to views expressed by others. Including the oft expressed view that it was all down to immigration.
Just to be clear my italics are quotes from other posters that I am commenting on.
I agree that all the matters you mention may have informed peoples views or may need attention in the negociations.
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Why the NHS needs to treat visitors from Nigeria is indeed a valid point, unless of course it is accepted practice by our health services to treat everyone who needs help regardless of their ability to pay.
Something which our American friends are about to lose.
The UK NHS system is fairly unique in that it was never set up as a charging system, it does not have the software or systems in place and to create and maintain it may well cost more thsn the money the NHS does not recover from EU countries each year.
Most EU systems have a charge based element fitted in as most make some charge on the user.
My EHIC card was noted for the hospital to recharge my treatment to the UK.
If changes are not made, the NHS will continue to allow anyone to register with a GP or arrive at A &E, which may morally be a good thing but eventually will swamp the service.
ID cards are required even for a private XRay in Spain for instance, they are taken as normal, but when ID was suggested in UK there was uproar from Liberal Elite again.
"How dare we ask people to prove they are eligible for care"
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http://guides.library.jhu.edu/c.php?g=202502&p=1335759
Perhaps our health personnel in the UK also place this above ability OR responsibility to pay under our NHS guidelines.
Yes we really do appear to care for ALL.
Can we continue to do this economically?
Shoukd we continue to do this morally?
Part of but perhaps a different discussion to Brexit.
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"The UK NHS system is fairly unique in that it was never set up as a charging system."
Hugh, you say this, but the buck HAS to stop somewhere. The NATIONAL health service HAS to have limits its recsources are not infinite, nor ever will be. This is why its the National Health service, NOT International Rescue!
Treat migrants by all means, but ensure they have funds to pay or suitable insurance to cover their medical bill. About the only exception i would suggest is anyone who is taken to hospital by ambulance with life threatening conditions, by all means stabilise them, and from that point on, they pay.
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Basically it would seem the NHS is in chaos over free treatment and it is of it’s own making by refusing to change like all other EU countries have.
We have heard every excuse in the book and before we hear any more, if this was your own private business would you run it like this.
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ENOUGH on that one can we move onto the SUBJECT of our FISH
Its called the ENGLISH CHANNEL not the BLOODY EU or FRENCH channel
Am I Right or am I Right
IF they want a WAR we'll give it UM
THank GOD we've all WOKEN up to there WICKEDNESS
Love Hugh
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Any individual who is a UK national citizen and normally resident in the UK is eligible for an EHIC. There are some restrictions depending on your nationality. Not all UK residents will be covered in Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Iceland, Norway or Denmark. For further information, please visit www.ehic.org.uk or visit the Department of Health website.
UK citizens employed by a UK company or self-employed in the UK, are entitled to a UK-issued EHIC to work in a European Economic Area (EEA) country or Switzerland. This will include any dependents for up to 12 months. Please contact HM Revenue and customs if you require more information.
The EHIC will not cover you if you are moving abroad permanently or to work for a foreign employer.
To apply for the EHIC, you must be over 16 years of age. Residents of the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man are not eligible.
Micky you said this below, but above says different.
All EU citizens are entitled to a EHIC. It is a European wide passport to receive emergency care within any affilliated EU state and EEA states. Citizens of other none EU states have no such rights. Why the NHS treats people from Nigeria not resident in the UK for free is beyond me.
I do have one of these cards thankfully never used it and to be honest I have never read any conditions or information about them, up to now anyway, so I didn't know the first thing about them, surely these cards are only for us in the UK, or are they?
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