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I would like to come to the defence on mickyfinn
I do not agree with everything of what he has said but from his posts he is trying to do some research
On the other hand there a few on here who simply keep attacking him for no good reason and it is becoming too personal again by all means argue his points with your own research but no need to get personal again
then you get the childish (unfunny) comments from one person - again unecessary but typical of that person who if I recall wasteh main agitator last tiem the mods got involved on this thread
We have another 48 days to go and no matter the result we will still be here so lets be nice
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You very nearly said that Tadd.
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Thanks Tadd.
My views are not always the only way to see this subject I accept that. I do however expect to post what I think on here without being attacked personally. Argue against my posts with decent contrary ideas and opinions but please don't shoot the messenger. It only diminishes you.
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Sorry Micky, you post,I reply and it's personal, you will note on a recent counter post with you that I inserted (not personal), but why let the truth get in the way of a good rant?
As I obviously upset you I will refrain from counter posting with you in the future, some of you guys need to get a life and a sense of humour, come on mods let's have an 'IGNORE' facility. you know that it makes sense.
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Personally I am planning for Parity we are selling our Spanish dream home we will have enough to buy a small mobile home and will have to go back to work but we will survive
I urge all Ex pats to do the same because it's better to be in the UK than Spain after we exit in my opinion ,we can always have a holiday by the seaside in Cornwall nothing wrong with that
Less people will be bothered to travel so that money will benefit the UK on balance its better that we leave the EU
I here the Africans are holding the EU to ransom over sending refugees and the Greeks are kicking off again
Germany and France you can have the EU these to Brits are ASTA LA VISTA BABY
Love Hugh xx
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I'm not upset in the least heph. This is merely a web forum that provides light relief in my busy life. Its interesting to discover how others think that's all.
Huge jardons last post describes the expat deliemma well. Its a serious issue facing many retired Brits living on a Sterling pension in Spain and elsewhere. Euro parity with Sterling is a deal breaker for I would estimate around half the retired British population.
However returning to the UK presents perhaps even greater challenges if you have not been in the housing market there for some time. Rents are very high unless you move to the extremes of the country where there is much poverty. Hugh's idea of a caravan/mobile home may be the only option for most.
On balance I would advise sticking it out in the sun. You can always wait for the economic boom the UK will enjoy that Brexiteers have promised everyone. In that event Sterling will rise once more, interest rates soar and its happy days again. Fantasy is a double edged sword.
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"Huge jardons last post describes the expat deliemma well"
No Mickfinn, there's not one realistic comment in his statement.
Parity is not vaguely on the horizon.
Cornwall residents would be far less accommodating than Spain!
Brexit will not happen, it won't even be close.
There's nothing wrong with work - which Hughjardon seems to dislike.
It's cheaper to live happily in Spain than the UK.
Africans are not holding the EU to ransom, Mrs Merkel has finally woken up.
(A couple of other comments were unclear).
It's just a misguided moan - Hughjardon should get real.
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Acer it was probably one of the first sensible posts Mr Jardon has made made.
Sterling parity happened with the Euro in 1992. Then it was the Euro exchange mechanism Sterling left. The currency remained in that state for almost four years. I was lucky to get 6FF for a pound. The French Franc entered the Euro at a fixed level unit price of 6.55956ff
Parity happened again in 2009/10 when the extent of the recession became clear. It recovered slightly but the value remained depressed until relatively recently.
What drives ForeX markets to sell currency is uncertainty. Brexit will present these markets with a huge dose of uncertainty for the future direction of the UK economy. My best guess is five years. All currency traders are hedging their bets and the big Sterling sell off will begin very soon in the referendum run up.
So if expats can survive with their Sterling income at parity then they will be OK. If not better start hedging your bets. Many I speak to are simply in denial.
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Personally I am planning for Parity we are selling our Spanish dream home we will have enough to buy a small mobile home and will have to go back to work but we will survive
I urge all Ex pats to do the same because it's better to be in the UK than Spain after we exit in my opinion ,we can always have a holiday by the seaside in Cornwall nothing wrong with that
Less people will be bothered to travel so that money will benefit the UK on balance its better that we leave the EU
I here the Africans are holding the EU to ransom over sending refugees and the Greeks are kicking off again
Germany and France you can have the EU these to Brits are ASTA LA VISTA BABY
Acer.
Spot on with your comments about the above post. I live Essex / Suffolk borders and we have a few of theses mobile home parks around, very tidy, no pets, have to be about 55 / 65 years old, not a bad way to run them actually, price wise now thats another thing, the decent one's are getting close to a half decent semi detached house, the weekly rates type of thing and outgoings are getting just as bad as any house rates and ex's.
Cornwall is also getting so overpriced it's a joke, have family down Lands End, when they sell up they can buy two house's further up.
People will always travel, how far matters not one jot, if you care to drive on our over congested roads for ten hours to get to Cornwall that is, two weeks for four in a hotel, in Cornwall for instance, is almost 4 /5 months rent of a house in Spain, and the weather, well forget it.
And if and when Hughjardon comes to sell the house how are they going to do that? It was only a few weeks ago that they / he bragged to everyone on here that he lives under the radar in Spain, no tax, no suma...No anything, be interesting to see how that gets sorted out.
To compare anything with Spain to the UK is like comparing apples to oranges.Spain any-day. In or out no-way.
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Michael Gove of the leave campaign said on BBC TV this morning that in the event of a Brexit vote he would press the government to leave the single market entirely. Leave the largest tariff free market that exists on the plant.
Gove believes other EU countries will still want to sell and buy stuff from the UK. This without tariffs and without complying with their regulations, legal and social rules such as free movement of people. He thinks the UK can do whatever it likes and the EU will simply accept it and do business as normal.
The man requires a reality check. Even the most optimistic of us can surely see this is dangerous nonsense.
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As we have an £8.1billion monthly deficit with the EU Michael Gove is absolutely right.
If we fail to reach agreement after the two year negotiation period the EU or individual EU countries would be in no position to impose tariffs and start a trade war.
Meanwhile our ballance with the rest of the world is positive and continues to improve.
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If UK special steels used in the aerospace industry were denied to our 'former' EU partners they would be in deep trouble, as would the the mighty USA, the steel industry consists of far more than building fabrication products.
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Well that may well be the case but only if the UK signs up to the ETA treaty obligations in the event of a leave vote. Trading without either requires legally the imposition of tariff. Gove knows that full well. He is at best being disingenuious.
The question then is what's the point of brexit? The question in the ballot paper asks only one question. Should the UK remain a member of the European union or leave the European union?
Not should the UK join the European free trade area? That's up to the government after a leave vote. There is not likely to be a second referendum.
Since joining EFTA involves compliance to all things the EU membership involves but without either a vote or or influence in policy. Plus the financial obligation. What will be achieved by voting 'leave'?
Answer - Zero.
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'Well that may well be the case'
It is the case. The rest is waffle.
If the UK regains it's democracy by leaving the EU it will be a free country able to negociate whatever it likes with whomsoever it likes.
I hope there is not a second referendum if we vote out, but I strongly suspect the political class will not give up and we may well find ourselves in the position of Denmark and Ireland within two years. Told to give the correct answer this time.
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Trade negotiations on that basis without membership to established EU institutional partnership agreements will not succeed. The whole point of the EU is a level playing field brought about by adherence to its core values. These are legally binding on member states.
The idea that the EU will simply ditch that to enable trade with the UK is pure fantasy.
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A very basic issue the the brexiters choose to ignore as NOBODY knows what will happen or what any of the imnplications of an exit will bring to the UK finacially or political FACT - voting on immigration and benefit entiltlements is a joke, narrow minded and borderline racist
By staying we know the UK will have a say in teh futrie of the EU and what it will cost something the brexiters cannot predict with any factual evidence
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Tadd1966 how can you say the UK will have a say in the future of the EU when history has sadly demonstrated that we have had very little influence in reform of the status quo, and as more expansion takes place, that influence will diminish even further wont it?
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The EU will do what is in the interests of the EU.
There is no reason for it to deliberately loose one of its biggest customers.
Most of what it sells us can be bought elsewhere at little loss (if any) to the UK.
They will not cut off their noses to the tune of £8billion per month to spite their face.
The ramifactions of a trade war would go much further than the loss of trade. Cutting antwerp and other continental ports from our supply chain might even liven up the ports of Liverpool, London & Southampton.
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The EU is a political project first and foremost. It's not an economic one. The core principles will always take precedence over trade considerations.
The British leavers will say they joined the EU only to be part of the single market and now things have changed. That is a lie. Edward Heath who took Britain into the EU campaigned on core principals!es as well as the market advantages.
Successive UK leaders have also known what the EU stood for. Anything less is a deception.
So if brexit wins the day Britain will not be granted any trade concessions unless it signs up the these core principals. You can Google them and you will see trade is only one of them.
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All this talk of trade agreements, what does the UK have to offer? answers on a post card please!
The UK balance of payments have been negative since the 1950's
Cars, Chemicals, Financial Services and Oil products and we still import more Oil than we export - most of the companies that produce these exports are foreign.
There are a lot of intelligent politicians in the leave camp, I do wish they would explain what their plans are!
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