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The deadline for registering to vote in the EU referendum is to be extended to midnight on Thursday as Cameron believes most people not yet registered are youngsters who will mainly vote Stay. Cameron and Merkel will get their way on this if it takes three referendums and takes a couple more years!
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HEPH."....start building again, this would automatically regenerate the industries associated with house building." then like spain and like Guernsey, all the building jobs will be immigrants. Then when the bubble burst they won't go home they'll just stay and obviously live in the homes we've built "For our youngsters". It's a snake eating its own tail.
I remember talking to my friend who was a quite big builder in Marbella and he retired in the slump. I asked, "What happened to all your Bulgarian builders mate?" his reply, "They're all Bulgarian burglars now". Haha. You've got to laugh at the dilema.
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Sorry MM, I omitted to say that we should open technical/skills training colleges and teach our own young as well as anyone whose countries wish to pay us to do so.
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The economy will not be tied to the ailing EU economy after Brexit.
The UK is free to trade with the rest of the world now and is not 'tied' to the Eurozone economically or politically. It has opt-outs.
The EU makes our trade agreements for us at the moment and we have to apply EU tariffs
We were a basket case in 79, seven years after joining the EEC.
Britain joined the European Economic Community on 1 January 1973, along with Denmark and Ireland.
OK Six and a half.
Command economy Wilson. Just like command economy EU. Why should law breakers not be arrested (even when the law was ridiculous - just like many EU laws).
Wilson did not adopt a command economy. You are confusing Britain with the Soviet Union.
No that was the left wing of the labour party and now it is the commission.
Opt outs, if they are ever ratified, are worth about the same as the 'crock'.
The opt-outs are legal and agreements made will be kept. Ratification is just a formal process.
Yeah. There were murmerings from the east, but I assume they have been told to be quiet until the 23rd. Even if they are ratified they will mean as much as subsidiarity did.
Yes return democratic control to the house of commons.
The House of Commons is already democratic and is sovereign. MP's can vote to leave the EU any time they wish without a referendum. The very proces of calling the referendum is a democraticprocess by the government free of any control from Brussels.
We have to accept EU law without revision. The only way to regain our sovereignty is leave.
Youngsters are easily swayed, as I was when young, there is something to be said for knowledge and experience.
The young need a future they need hope they can improve their lives more than previous generations. They are more influenced by the facts than years of myth and prejudice (scare stories)
So vote leave.
Greece faces the abyss, we are some way away, but it lies at the heart of the EU.
The Greek problem is being slowly dealt with but since the UK will not be asked to contribute as a none member of the EZ is matters not to the country.Its a none issue.
Tell the Greeks. (We have already contributed to solving EZ problems).
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@tteedd
VOTING REGISTRATION EXTENDED UNTIL MIDNIGHT THURSDAY
Another abuse of the voting system.
After the referendum, whatever the result there needs to be an investigation.
Amazing how quick some were by jumping on the Daily Mail bandwagon and accusing the government of "rigging" it. As if the site somehow knew that all those trying to register late were for remain. Now, however, it's reckoned the late surge in registrations is from those voting out, not in. So I suppose it will be OK now, then.
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Hey, do you mind. Look at the timings. If the Mail has it they are jumping on my bandwaggon!
Changing the law in the run up to any election is unprecedented.
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Latest Wideberth poll has 56% voting out and 38% in with the remainder undecided I know polls can be wrong but thats the situation
Roll on the 23rd this is exhausting
Love Hugh xx
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Did you see Cameron's face when asked how he was going to stop emigration from the EU I am still laughing what a bunch of Pratt's the IN have turned out to be.
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Watched the so called debate on TV last night what a joke both sides
As for the buffoon boris omg what a joke he is clearly trying to take on DC
If DC had decided to campaign for exit I am convinced boris the buffoon would have campaigned in
Wonder if DC bullied the buffoon at school and the buffoon has aspirations to be PM what a joke the boris vs DC playground spat goes on
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Just read your post Tadd1966
i didn't hear anything from Boris about the leadership of the UK. I was trying to take information from the debate to make up my own mind absout the situation.
Im not happy about the way the EU is so undemocratic, privileged and wasteful. I'm not happy about the way the organisation sets up to keep employment low and wages low and feeds big business.
Im also not happy about the way the exiteers of our country are talking about becoming so insular and risking the trading status without proper answers.
To be honest I don't give a stuff about the secret lives of Boris, call me Dave or any other of the main players. Maybe you could concentrate on the proper issues until voting day, I'm having a bit of a struggle with it, but probably for better reasons?
This message was last edited by briando55 on 10/06/2016.
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Perhaps you should look at the funding principals and objectives of the EU. Then ask yourself without cynicisim if you think they are worth being part of for your countries future.
- an area of freedom, security and justice without internal frontiers ;
- an internal market where competition is free and undistorted;
- sustainable development, based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full employment and social progress, and a high level of protection and improvement of the quality of the environment;
- the promotion of scientific and technological advance;
- the combating of social exclusion and discrimination, and the promotion of social justice and protection, equality between women and men, solidarity between generations and protection of the rights of the child;
- the promotion of economic, social and territorial cohesion, and solidarity among Member States.
In addition, the Union respects cultural and linguistic diversity and ensures that Europe's cultural heritage is safeguarded and enhanced.
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Time is the fire in which we burn.
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- The gross cost works out at £350m a week
- If the UK left, billions of pounds would become available for other priorities
- The UK would also be able to decide how to spend the money that the EU transfers back to it
- UK companies would be freed from the burden of EU regulation
- Trade with EU countries would continue because we import more from them than we export to them
- Britain would be able to negotiate its own trade deals with other countries
- It is impossible to control immigration as a member of the EU
- Public services are under strain because of the number of migrants
- High immigration has driven down wages for British workers
- Points-based system for migrants to the UK should be extended to include those from the EU
These are my main reasons for leaving the EU
Love Hugh xx
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Very concisely (and uprightly) put Hugh
(I think it is a little more than 350 because even Boris's bus missed the supplimentary payments we made!)
However the key point for me is missing.
* There is a democratic deficit. The executive in the EU is not elected by the people.
There is no link between the people and the legislation produced on their behalf.
This one point is enough to persuade me to vote out.
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Perhaps you should look at the funding principals and objectives of the EU. Then ask yourself without cynicisim if you think they are worth being part of for your countries future.
Between Magna Carta and 1973 the UK moved slowly and gradually from feudalism to democracy and universal sufferage. It also developed (I would argue) the best legal system in the world to protect the rights of the citizen. In the 70's I was keen on the European project (unlike many I had lived on the continent and understood it had a political as well as trade implications). But all the politicians gave assurances that our democratic rights and legal systems would be protected.
Over the years I have come to realise that the promises were worthless. Mr Heath had no right to take us in without the will of the people and that we were saddled with an unrepresentitve, undemocratic, expensive and corrupt monolith. We have sold our birthright for a pottage.
We have to vote out.
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@tteedd and @hughjardon
Still peddling the 350 million a week? Even Gove admits that was wrong and Bojo has now got round to saying the "gross" amount we send, which is also wrong as we don't send the money and then get the rebate, we send it without the rebate. Well wrong. And based on last year's payments, the amount of 160 million a week did include the supplementary payments. Up from 119 million a week 2 years ago. CBI reckons direct benefit to UK from membership is between 60 and 75 billion quid a year.
Problem is, making up numbers puts everything else said in doubt.
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If the £350 million p/w is in doubt, what about the scare tactics of the inners, that have a ring of fire, flood, famine and pestilence with WW111 thrown in for luck?
All that UK expats living within the EU are really concerned about is pensions, exchange rates and health care, they have made their choice, many don't have a vote, so should not concern themselves in the business of UK membership of the EU, as they can do nothing about it.
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So the scare tactics of the outsiders with millions and millions of nasty foreigners swamping the UK, paying an exaggerrated amount to the EU (actually lying about it), a phantom EU army and the opt outs negotiated by Cameron will be thrown out if we vote in aren't worth a mention then?
Scare tactics on both sides. And, pray tell, why shouldn't the expats be worried about pensions, exchange rates and healthcare? Should they tell their families that the money they saved up, probably scrimped and saved for, will no longer allow them to have the life they had planned for? But don't worry, dear. You can wave your flag and cry Freedom so it's all OK.
Sanctimonious claptrap.
My point on the payments was, if you're going to start your campaign with a big fat lie then it puts every other claim in immediate doubt. Like I don't believe lots of the stuff the Remain lot are coming up with, either. But one lie isn't cancell out by another lie, they just make people, on both sides of the fence, look foolish.
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briando55
i didn't hear anything from Boris about the leadership of the UK.
he didn't and that is part of my point he said nothing but his facial expressions and body langauge after comments by others said everything
and he came across as a complete buffoon with his comments and I am convinced he is simply going against anything DC says and had DC opted to exit Boris would have wanted to stay. For me their is apersonal isseu between them with Boris being the subordinate, jealous, spoilt brat
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HEP you are one million percent right regarding expats I was one of those fools I got out luckily however for those that stay on exit I fear its curtains funny thing is they probably won't be allowed back to the UK under bozzers new rules
God they must be bricking it
Love Hugh xx
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Bobaol
I can only speak for myself (but suspect others feel the same), your comment:
So the scare tactics of the outsiders with millions and millions of nasty foreigners swamping the UK,
No-one to my knowledge as called members of EU countries 'nasty foreigners.
Is it so wrong to want to have the infrastructure and services in place before we take in unlimited amounts of people from the EU?
Surely it is wrong to invite or allow people in a country that cannot properly support them, not to mention the fact that we struggle to accomodate and support the amount of people we have now.
We cannot turn a blind eye to the impact that 'free movement' is having on our services and infrastructure.
By all means let's build the houses first to accomodate what we presently have and then build houses to invite EU members who have the required skills to fulfill vacancies we may have if we cannot fill the vacancies from within.
The open door policy does not work because we cannot quantify how many people are coming, what skills they have and if there are sufficient jobs for them.
There is no sense in bringing in and employing someone from the EU and then putting someone who already lives here on the dole.
I was watching a programme the other night and someone commented that we need to bring in EU migrants to increase the workforce to pay for the pensions of those retiring now, so we bring in migrants to pay the pensions, who then eventually pays their pensions?
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