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Luxembourg??
Can we really be suggesting that such a lovely tiny state could possibly be the single biggest tax haven for larger corporates in the whole of Europe.
Surely this must be fake news instigated by President Obama with the help of GCHQ?
What can the world be coming to?
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Yea I know. Next they will be saying the Isle of Man is an off shore tax haven. Bloody cheek
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Robert,
Accordingto this article in 2014
https://theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/09/labour-tories-lib-dems-block-juncker
"Reinfeldt, one of Cameron's closest allies in the European Union, said it was vital that the UK remained a member of the EU. Der Spiegel reported last week that Cameron had told Merkel at the recent EU summit Britain would be more likely to leave if Juncker were appointed European commission president.
"It is of the utmost interest and importance to the rest of Europe that Britain stays in the EU," the Swedish prime minister said at the Harpsund meeting.
The four EU leaders all have deep reservations about Juncker, a veteran EU fixer, who is seen by No 10 as embodying an out-of-touch EU elite. They are also uneasy at the way in which the European parliament devised the Spitzenkandidaten (lead candidate) system in which the main pan-European groups in the parliament nominated a candidate to head the European commission.
Officials in the parliament say that the system is in line with the Lisbon treaty. This calls on the European council – the body comprising the EU's 28 heads of state and government – to propose a candidate, taking account of the European elections. The centre-right European People's party emerged as the largest group in the elections which means Juncker's name should be sent to parliament for approval under the Spitzenkandidaten system. The Lisbon treaty says the parliament must approve the commission president.
Cameron made clear he wants to block the system. As he arrived at the Harpsund meeting Cameron called for "less pointless interference" in the EU, adding: "The democratically elected leaders of the EU should be the ones who choose who should run these institutions rather than accept some new process which was never agreed."
A No 10 source said: "The prime minister will warn against accepting a power-shift through the back door and handing more responsibility to the European parliament. And he will highlight the risk of breaking the treaty rules in such a way. Such a move could set a dangerous precedent for the future.
"The European council should work together to find a consensual candidate. That is how it has traditionally approached the issue and it is important to do that again this time. Elected national leaders should not accept rules being broken on the pretext of democracy. It is the complete opposite – a stitch-up dressed up as an election."
Reinfeldt endorsed Cameron's criticism of the parliament's new system though he declined to criticise Juncker personally. He said: "It is an important principle to see a balance between the institutions. The presentation of the Spitzenkandidaten isn't in accordance with how the Lisbon treaty is set up."……...
Merkel has moderated her language about Juncker in the face of a strong domestic backlash after she appeared to support a wider range of candidates. The German chancellor said again last night that she would work towards achieving a majority for Juncker in the European council.
The change of tack by Merkel means Cameron needs to assemble a "blocking minority" among EU leaders to end the Juncker bid, handing the decisive say to the new Italian prime minister, Matteo Renzi. Italian support would be enough to form a blocking minority along with the UK, Sweden and the Netherlands.
Britain has high hopes that Renzi, whose Democratic party overtook Merkel's CDU as the largest party in the European parliament after winning 40.8% of the Italian vote in the European elections, will come on side. Renzi has raised concerns about the system proposed by the European parliament.
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Then later in 2016 the following was reported in this article
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/736038/European-Union-Jean-Claude-Juncker-resign-Angela-Merkel-Martin-Schulz-quits-EU/amp
PRESSURE was mounting on Brussels chief Jean-Claude Juncker to quit today as the EU was urged to use the resignation of Martin Schulz to spark a complete overhaul of the euro project.
Critics said booting the arch-federalist out of Europe’s top job would be the “first thing to do” to try and claw back the confidence of disenchanted voters across the continent.
Angela Merkel has reportedly called for a “reset” at the very highest echelons of the Brussels machine after growing tired of the bumbling bureaucrat’s increasingly damaging and erratic behaviour.
The controversial eurocrat’s position has never been more tenuous after the announcement by Mr Schulz, the EU parliament president, that he will be quitting Brussels to pursue a career in German politics.
Mr Juncker has been able to rely on his socialist counterpart as a rock solid ally during his own troubled tenure at the top of the EU, with the pair frequently working hand-in-glove on key issues.
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And now we have Schultz challenging Merkel in the upcoming German elections…. So if Schultz gains power in Germany, and Junker remains in power in the European Commission?????
Do these power struggles therefore appear to be working against the best interests of European citizens?
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He said, "Juncker should make a new year's resolution for the sake of Europe: he must step down."
The German MEP condemned Juncker's central role in the affair as revealed in the documents, saying, "The Juncker leaks show once again that the Commission President hindered progress in the fight against tax deals of big corporations in the EU."
He added, "Juncker is part of the problem and not the solution. It's absurd that millions of Europeans who have suffered from austerity policies that created social division now have the godfather of tax dumping presiding over the Commission.
"Member states lose hundreds of billions each year in their budgets due to these tax deals. This money is needed for massive public investments."
So it's not just Farage who think Junckers is a waste of space.
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Crikey Ads, 24 hours since your postings re Herr Junkers potentially dodgy deals and not one retraction or refusal to accept that such a nice EU President could possibly have been involved in anything other than ensuring large corporates pay due taxes in Europe.
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The catastrophe for the UK is about to begin.
Theresa May is going to be presented with a huge bill to pay to leave the EU in excess of €50bn. If Britain declines to pay legal process will start and no trade deal will result. That will cause significant damage to the British economy
Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are activating their contingency plans to move a portion of their staff to Europe. Others are following.
EU chiefs have warned airlines including EasyJet, Ryanair and British Airways that they will need to relocate their headquarters and sell off shares to European nationals if they want to continue flying routes within continental Europe after Brexit.
That’s just the start. Whatever the politics that are involved and the rhetoric coming out of the mouths of leaders one thing is very certain, this is not going to end well for both sides.
Anyone who has been through a divorce knows that and this is the mother of all divorces. I hope they will spare the children the grief of it but when does that usually happen?
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Mickey your reply to the thread is again very negative and just speads doom and gloom that is antagonistic to many UK residents and the comments you quote are nothing more than total rubbish. You quote for instance, "EU chiefs have warned airlines including EasyJet, Ryanair and British Airways that they will need to relocate their headquarters and sell off shares to European nationals if they want to continue flying routes within continental Europe after Brexit." What a load of rot. Do you see other worldwide airlines that fly into the EU having their headquarters within the EU, and selling off the majority of their shares to European Nationals? of course not. For a start it would not be feasible for worldwide carriers to agree to that sort of demand, and so why should the UK agree to this? It is something that some stupid uninformed EU bureaucrat has blurted out in a meeting somewhere, and you are sucking it up like a dry sponge, then passing it on to everyone on this thread. I consider you have more intelligence Mickey than to believe such things, and even to repeat them here.
You go on to say,"That’s just the start. Whatever the politics that are involved and the rhetoric coming out of the mouths of leaders one thing is very certain, this is not going to end well for both sides." Rhetoric is exactly that, it is not the end where true regulations agreed between both parties will be what counts. Also, what is to say that it is not going to end well? if negotianions and agreements are made considerately and fairly, i see no reason why the end could not be quite pleasant for all concerned.
You should pay more attention to what is coming out of this, and filter out the rubbish. You know, as we all do, not everything is related to us the public completely honestly by the worlds press, and you should filter out the rubbish with what the Americans call a BS detector, and what Uncle Donald describes as Fake News.
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robertt8696
There are plenty of reports in the subject of airlines and brexit on line from many sources so I would guess it has some substance
If you read the requiremenst for EU airliens licences and the fact that easyjet and BA are looking into this suggest there is a problem that needs a plan from their businesses.
Many companies are doing the same and are putting contingemcy plans in place now whihc is more than teh uK govt has done over teh last 8 months or so
Calling other mmebers posts a load of xxxxx is really not very good and simply starts another round of forum troll bashing we have been warned many times by the mods a
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 The Spanishp Government has expressed its intention to support a reciprocal agreement with the United Kingdom on expatriates in both countries, according to the British newspaper The Times.
The information gathered by The Times assures that Jorge Toledo, Spanish Secretary of State for the European Union , has expressed the position that the Government of Spain will take before the next negotiations of the Brexit. “We are widely in favor of reaching a reciprocal agreement on issues such as health and freedom of movement,” he said.
The Spanish Government is concerned about the status of expatriates in the United Kingdom and Spain after the Brexit
 Spanish expatriates in the United Kingdom and the British in Spain remain in uncertainty due to the Brexit bill that will be presented in Brussels on 29 March. Citizens of both countries have reported feeling used in negotiations for the UK’s disengagement, as they are being “currency” during the talks.
The concerns of expatriates in the United Kingdom continue to rise in the face of the decisions of the British Government. Theresa May has stated that she will not guarantee the rights of Europeans living in the UK , with 3 million citizens, of whom more than 100,000 are Spanish.
Jorge Toledo, however, has stated that “regarding the rights of EU citizens in the UK and the rights of British citizens in the EU, Spain is in favor of respecting these rights in the future in the future , But the modalities and conditions must be and will be subject to negotiation “.
These declarations of the Spanish have reassured the million Britons who reside in our country . According to the London Foreign Office, more than 290,000 Britons are registered in Spain. British expatriates are now worried about losing Spanish healthcare coverage, freedom of movement, bureaucratic problems and the possibility of renouncing British nationality to get Spanish, if this is the only option to remain in Spain.
The situation of citizens from different EU countries based in the United Kingdom worries the bloc. The Committee on Legal Affairs of the European Parliament has warned in its own report on Brexit that the UK makes it difficult for European immigrants to obtain residence and permanent citizenship and has warned that the Member States of the Union Concerned could lead to certain reprisals.
Source: EL IBERICO
This message was last edited by hugh_man on 22/03/2017.
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So if things are going stupid lets go one step further.......Some head-case country decides to start another war on Europe, would it be okay to say.....Sorry boys we cant fly over from the UK now to help you out.....Because you said we cant fly out.
This EU business is getting like kids in the playground telling 'If you leave our gang we ain't having anymore to do with you'.
Or, is the EU running scared now because things from the UK are hotting up, and all of a sudden the EU has only just woken up and realised just how much they stand to lose so 'lets resort to scare tactics'.
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Tadd
There are conspiracy theories on just about everything to be found online, take your pick.
Do you think that makes some of them even more believable.
Of course the Spanish government is going to tell those nice people from Easy Jet and BA who own Iberia NOT to fly all those UK tourists to their Costas to spend money.
I do despair at what some people swallow and believe.
Pretty soon you will be trying to tell us the world is not flat at all.
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With reference to my previous post and the outrage my wording has provoked from Tadd1966, this is just an example of how words can provoke a knee jerk reaction, which is what the EU are doing with crazy comments reported in the press. The very concept of FORCING UK businesses to relocate to the EU before they will allow the company to overfly and use European airports is totally just scaremongering by the person who said it. Look how many people are transported into the EU by these carriers, and the monetary benefits that these EU countries get from these passengers, and it just isnt going to happen, there is too much for EU members to lose after Brexit, and UK companies that fly worldwide are not going to just uproot and move their main office to the EU. When you look at the implications for the UK, and also the EU by being restrictive in the manner mentioned, it just isnt going to happen. As a result i stand by my words, the plain Idea is just total rubbish, the word is aimed at the idea related, and certainly not the poster.
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Hugh your point about Iberia Airways being owned by BA can be seen in other areas of commerce too. Take for instance the UK Kingfisher group, who own interests in the EU, two large ones being Castorama and Brico depot, European retailers. Does this mean that UK companies with foreign investments are going to have to move their head office to the EU? I really think not.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/22/uk-based-airlines-told-to-move-to-europe-after-brexit-or-lose-major-routes#img-1
I repeat for the upteenth time I am just the messenger it does not mean I hold any insight or inner wisdom on the subject. Your reaction Robert can be equally described as reactionary since you dont know any more than anyone else if it's true or not.
Brexit makes these things possible that's all and that translates into uncertainty for business and investors of which I am just one minor one. As such I ignore such possibilities at financial cost and so do many others small investors.
Whatever your political views you cannot ignore the 'elephant in the room' which is; Brexit in the short to medium term is very likely going to be very bad for Britain and good for very few others.
Quote from the article:
However, asked during a select committee hearing last week whether the UK would continue to be part of the “open-skies” agreement after Brexit, the secretary of state for exiting the EU, David Davis, said: “Not that agreement ... One would presume that would not apply to us – doesn’t say anything about whether there would be a successor.”
So if not that one which one?
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2007/mar/22/europeanunion.theairlineindustry
The Open Skies agreement was put in place in 2007 to permit US and EU airlines to operate freely between nations.
There was NO separate agreement between EU member states.
Why should the UK being out of the EU not just be included in the agreement which in fact the UK was instrumental in arranging?
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Logically if the UK is no longer an EU nation the treaty will not apply to them and the country will need some sort of separate agreement.
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So if the UK is no longer a EU nation and this treaty will not apply to us then best we say...
'Okay we wont fly to you now, we will leave our spending money at home'.....
Any bets as to long before the EU comes up with...
'Oh please don't take it the wrong way, we didn't mean it like that'...
A day or so at best.
As I said the EU has just woken up to the fact that the UK meant what it said when it said...
'We are leaving you lot to stew in your own pit of S'.
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Mickey, i do not "shoot the messenger" but you should excersize some reasonable consideration to what you have reported, it is pie in the sky conjecture that any intelligent person would dismiss out of hand, so i am surprised you have bothered to show this comment, as you are an intelligent person. The link you have posted in your last thread shows that the intention is to restrict overflight of the EU by non EU countries from " for instance, from Milan to Paris" I would think there are very few commercial flights by the UK carriers that fly solely within EU countries. So, in fact, this attempt by the EU to restrict internal flights to EU carriers will be destructive for the EU as well as the UK.
The proposed restriction is very similar to the EU delivery ban called "cabotage" in the haulage trade, which meant if a truck went to say, Italy, the driver could not do a delivery from within Italy, only pick up a load back to the UK. The EU soon withdrew this restriction due to its almost unworkable conditions, and nowadays it is possible, and is also why the UK is now full of Polish, German, Spanish,Italian, and many Balkan countries delivering to and within the UK.
It is something that a rogue reporter has picked up on and i am sure that it would not do the EU any favours if enacted. If you consider it sensibly it is a case of the EU keeping trade within the confines of the EU borders, and is not what the EU is about. The whole purpose of the EU is to enhance trade for participating countries in all places, even outside the EU, and a regulation such as this would only damage the EU's own rules for its member states, and their trading ties.
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I thought the EU was against Protectionism ....or am I missing something hear.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU–US_Open_Skies_Agreement
It would seem when the EU did agree to the Open Skies deal, much advantage was actually given to US airlines who were permitted internal flights in Europe but controversially did not allow EU airlines to operate in the domestic US market.
The UK delayed the original deal in an attempt to improve the terms but there is absolutely no reason for the EU to make demands of U.K. Based airlines to make this work, unless protectionism really is at the core of EU policy.
Clutching at straws comes to mind when posters try to pick up on every single possible negative.
Life is full of uncertainties and paradoxes and very few get economic or growth forecasts correct, but one thing for sure is that trade has taken place for centuries and will continue to take place as business and corporations wield far more power than politicians and Eurocrats.
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