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Perhaps pp it is you are attempting to turn thus thread into a discussion on racism, whom most Brexiters have on numerous ocassions made it clear that that was not the prime or main reason for using the arguments they use.
Racism at many levels exists within the EUbas well as in the UK and around the world, intergration is never easy but thecUzk has long been considered more cosmopolitan than many European countries.
The discussion should now be on the contribution the EU are demanding, as yet NO facts on exactly what contributions are expected, especially given the fact that the UK has already said, of course it would meet promises and commitments, but it it would be good to know what these actually amount to.
No mention either from the EU about the assets that U.K. Money has helped the EU accumulate..
Negotiations are a two way street and perhaps Mr FARAGES comments about acting like the Mafia maybe a little over the top, but it does seem the EU are merely placing unsubstantiated demands and not giving explanations or attempting to be cooperative in observing UK voters wishes.
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Perry you do not know me, you do not know my ethnicity, and you dont know my social background, or my circle of friends and family. I resent being referred to in your thread as a racist when you know absolutely zero about me. The reason i have not yet today reported you to the EOS moderators is i have a belief that any person (of any ethnicity) has the right of free speech and are entitled to an opinion, without censorship, and that that person should be responsible enough to know when to shut up. I am putting this post on the open part of the site to highlight how people can be so predjudiced when they dont know what they are saying, rather than sending it all by private message. If i did send this by private message its point would not be shown to others here on this site.
I did not refer to Romanians as a racist incitement, i highlighted that Non-English people were coming to the UK to commit crime, nothing to do with their ethnicity, or anti EU. It matters not who they are or their race, but it matters to me that people are targeting the UK as their criminal playground.I would feel the same way if it was a person from the UK commiting crime, it should not be tolerated in any form by any race, nationality or colour (or creed) included.If you think this opinion is racist you should hang your head in shame.
I will send you a private message about my background which the rest of this thread have no need to see, but i think you might benefit from this information.
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I posted a couple of weeks ago that in my opinion, Perry was saying inciteful things just to stir up some hatred on the site.
He reported me to the moderators and the comment was removed. I stand by it though, and he or she continues to prove me right.
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Brian i have spoken to Perry by PM and he is very forceful with his opinions, he just doesnt think of the consequences before he pushes his agenda. He has no idea of the harm his comments can cause, or that by making such comments he does as much harm as good. I may not agree with his ranting but as long as the rant is peaceable he, just as much as anyone, is entitled to an opinion, although it might well be distasteful. As long as it is legal theres not much can be done, though if the moderators dont agree, just as in your case, the comment may disappear.
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Thanks for trying to reason, no problem, I will from now on use the same excuse about free speech without any responsibility that he does.
He said When people try to stir up anti-eu feelings by saying they saw two Romanians acting suspicious or that they know someone who knows someone who overheard someone say that they heard that a Polish person did something criminal then they need to have the truth put to them very bluntly.
I'm assuming there is a source for this comment and it's not just made up to incite racialndisharmony on the site? Maybe he will provide a source.
The EU is made up of demographics that include the Uk and France being around 12.5% of the population (each one is 12.5% making 25 in total). The U.K. Has around 60 million population and England has around 50 million of those people (Scotland 5 million).
England has the most culturally diverse peoples (i understand).
So when leaving the EU, they will be missing one eight of their people, and the most culturally diverse society.
And some clown here thinks it's good to make a point about a made up saying, telling me I am in a country of racist views. Well if that's free speech, it's being abused. Im really glad the guy is not speaking for me.
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Brian, the source of the comment quoted by Perry was me, but Perry ratcheted it up by including in the comment some additions of his own to escalate his case. He mentions Romanians and then Polish. I never made a comment about Polish, and can only think Perry included the Polish as a race in his comment, as he obviously sees it that others dont agree with Polish people coming here. To do that is in itself a form of racism as he is using incitement himself to inflame people in the general community against Polish people (racism). Perry is a do-gooder who does not think carefully about his comments and the result of his well meaning but ill made comments about other Racial groups which ultimately stoke up more hatred by the sort of people who do listen to his ranting.
It is this type of ranting that the likes of Nigel Farage has used to inflame public opinion against the EU and has resulted in a leave vote. It is obvious that this does not work with reasonable people as the resultant vote was so marginally for exit in the end. If people with such extreme views carried such opinion more carefully in how they put those views then the Brexit result could have been so different.
Unfortunately Perry uses the subject of Racism as a tool to justify his convictions regarding the position he holds over the Brexit result, something that Racism has nothing to do with in this instance. The objection by the people of the UK is over immigration of non UK people to this country with no right of entry, not the colour of their skin or their ethnicity.
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OK Robert, best to just ignore the guy from my perspective then, suits me.
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So despite a promise not to use, EU citizen's living and working legally in the UK and a pledge to protect UK citizen's living and working legally in the EU, as bargaining chips the joint largest party from the UK in Brussels leader, Nigel Farage said yesterday, "If you gave on the money and gave on Gibraltar then I would like to see the UK unilaterally agree EU citizens rights for the future."
So much for not being used as bargaining chips.
This message was last edited by perrypower1 on 06/04/2017.
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Nigel Farage can say what he likes, he is not the UK's negotiator with the EU, Theresa May is. All Nigel Farage can do is stand and rant, as he always does. He would be far better using his skills with Theresa May to procure the best exit strategy with the EU, rather than getting everybodys backs up, which is not good especially considering exit from the EU is what he wants. And as he is not the UK's negotiator, how can he use these things as "bargaining chips"?
How can a fair exit from the EU be obtained when the likes of Nigel Farage and yourself fan the flames of incitement? Perry you have some strange ways of looking at the situation.
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Rob,
Dont you think the assembly of euro MP's in the EU parliament fosters arguments across the board?
There are lots of very stupid comments coming across from different MP's and countries, showing the inability of the different countries to discuss and much less agree on things.
I heard one liberal MP from a different country yesterday say that the British people will realise one day how stupid they were to vote for the Brexit.
I dont like Farage much at all, but I can;t remember him saying another countries people will realise one day they are stupid. How arrogant can this parliament get?
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Brian
NF did call some mafia and corrected to gangsters when challenged which is just as bad as calling people stupid
One good thing about brexit NF will no longer be an MEP
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Tadd.
I heard him say that 'we are not hostages, we are just leaving to be free'. But I didn't hear the mafia reference.
I think the distinction I'm making is that NF calling other MEP's names, and they doing the same with him is reprehensible yes, but at least it's contained in their own little self important bubble.
When comments get directed to a nations people, it's pretty arrogant in my book.
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Brian just reading your comment about Nigel Farage being a kind considerate polite gentleman, i then moved on to Tadds comment before writing this. How right Tadd is, i was about to write much the same comment. They are trading insults on both sides, and all need to grow up and bring good calculated valid discussion about the situation, instead of trying to score points off each other.
And yes Brian, the assembly of Euro MP's in the EU parliament fosters arguments across the board. The only problem is, its the wrong kind of argument.
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Tadd
I don't see that suggesting some MEPs were acting like the Mafia of gangsters in any way suggests they are stupid, far from it, it suggests that they are attempting to hold the UK hostage before offering any two way negotiation.
They apparently want us to contribute a sum of money which has yet not been disclosed or substantiated and no mention of any offset of assets the U.K. Will relinquish.
That in my book is demands NOT negotiation.
And pp, for your information, everything that is part of the current system becomes a bargaining chip, there is no alternative.
No one is going to give anything unilaterally when they see the other side being dogmatic.
Let us hope that a level of common sense and sensible negotiation for all sides prevails before we all lose out.
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Hugh_man
That's not what I said
Calling people names like stupid, mafia, gangsters is as equally bad
These polticians need to recognise they are dealing with people's lives and leave their selfish attitude and egos at home
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Hugh_man, you seem to have the same trouble as Perrypower and that is misinterpreting what is in front of you in the form of the written word. When i was a youth my father had a saying which was, "read, observe and inwardly digest" as i grew up i thought it was a silly comment, but as i matured i realised there was a lot of sense in the comment. Maybe you would benefit from thinking of this mantra, just as i have.
It is also something the Brexit negotiators on both sides could be mindful of, rather than just trading insults?
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Tadd
"Brian
NF did call some mafia and corrected to gangsters when challenged which is just as bad as calling people stupid"
I still maintain any reference to Mafia or gangsters is not calling them names but suggests in his opinion they were making unreasonable demands on others.
I added that in my opinion, demands are not negotiation and Infurther added that I hoped common sense and reasonable negotiation would eventually prevail.
Whatvexactly has been misinterpreted?
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PS
Farage actually said
"you are behaving LIKE the Mafia" in setting unreasonable demands on the UK.
Does that not suggest that he felt their attitude to be unreasonable rather than calling them names?
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Why didnt he just say, "the EU are making unreasonable demands" There i just said that, it shows how easy it is without running the EU down by inference, which by any standard is name calling, and also does no favours for the UK's exit. Which is somewhat strange as that is what Nigel Farage claims he wants and campaigns for.
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Sorry hugh_man
Ir was name calling ,ignorant, inciting and simply rude
But that is exactly how I see NF amongst many other things the man is grotesque in every manner IMO of course
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