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One of the biggest problems that the Brexit has come up against is the length of time it has taken to initiate article 50 this pussy footing around by the political establishment from all parties involved trying to overturned Democracy has given the profits of doom and gloom to much of a podium to preach from.... so for everyone's sake including me/you/and the preachers of doom and gloom let's get on with it.Great Britain will survive to matter what .
This message was last edited by windtalker on 26/02/2017.
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Shall we have a reunion 2 years after triggering Article 50.
I ll supply the Beaujolais Nouveau, hang the extra tariff costs.
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Beer and sandwiches for the workers.
Beaujolais Noveau and canapés for the Liberal Elite.
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Won't all of the EXPATS that have to return to the UK be eligible for all the low skilled jobs SURELY that's the solution
l have to supplement my income cleaning the toilets at several WMCs
Love Hugh xx
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in my opinion, the reason Article 50 has not immediately been triggered is for the benefit of the UK and its residents, and yes, Windtalker it has given the objectors to exit time to attempt democratic methods to stop Article 50, but isnt that what Democracy is all about? My view is quite apart from that point i feel Article 50 has not been triggered as Theresa May and her Cabinet are most likely planning what reasoned reaction they are going to put to the EU during negotiations to leave. Everyone seems to forget that Theresa May openly admitted she was of the vote to stay in, but stated she would abide by the common vote of the people, and as Prime Minister would work for the best possible result for the UK and its people. Does anyone think that its all done and dusted as soon as Article 50 is triggered, that both sides will just sit down and do nothing while the EXPECTED two years tick by?
There will be many things to resolve, Immigration, residence, Free Movement, trade deals, and much much more. I wouldnt expect any rush to enter those negotiations without a period of thorough preparation before Article 50. Any Government that went in immediately, and gungho would be nothing short of suicidal for the UK's satisfactory exit.
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Hugh, you may have a point, would it mean that a returning expat would be classed as an immigrant due to the time they have resided outside the UK?
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I can ONLY speak for myself and SAY that I was not eligible for many things DENTIST any HOUSING BENEFITS etc when I got back however I own my own caravan its got a few years left and sways in the WIND sometimes I spend 9 pounds a day on living costs that's everything OK it's not as warm as SPAIN but the PEOPLE are more GENUINE than in SPAIN you see they blame the FOREIGNERS for all there PROBLEMS a bit like the BRITISH here DO NOW
The ONLY NEGATIVE is my ARTHRITUS has returned with AVENGENCE
HOPE that information HELPS
HUGH X
This message was last edited by hughjardon on 26/02/2017.
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Damn foreignors, doesnt matter where you go it seems you just cant get away from them.....
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Hugh
Tried to send a PM but it says your address is invalid.
Hope you have been to the doc. My mother had terrible Rhumatoid Arthritis, so when I started aching top to bottom I thought I was going the same way.
Eventually went to Doc. He sent me for blood tests. Found I had PMG (poly-myalgia-rhumatica) and put me on steroids. At the moment I feel great.
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Hi Micky
Thanks for the reply. I had to look back to see what we were on about (0819 & before).
I still think you are stretching it much too far and the difference in definition is not great. It just depends how formal you want to be.
As for your new comparison:
I note Trump has banned some sections of the press corps he does not like this week from The White House. The first move of any dictator is to muzzle the press.
I do not subscribe to the 'Trump the dictator' theme, which has been going the rounds since before he was elected.
Sections of the press have not been treating Trump with the deference it normally allows a newly elected President. He has decided they are rude and is banning them from his 'House'. He has made no move whatsoever to limit the freedom of the press. Now you, and indeed the press, may think they are justified in their attacks (I could not possibly comment - I might agree with you) but for both sides - If you dish it out you have to be prepared to take it.
I see no evidence that Trump is not a democrat (d), and I'm not sure why people keep bringing Trump into the Brexit discussion. There really is no comparison except that the people we mentioned earlier could not see it coming in both cases.
But Trump is definitely different.
This message was last edited by tteedd on 26/02/2017.
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tteedd - I still think you are stretching it much too far and the difference in definition is not great. It just depends how formal you want to be.
If you study the rise of National Socialism in the twenties in democratic Germany you may see the comparisons with today. They were struggling to gain momentum in the polls until the thirties and the great depression. Hitler was elected to office in the belief he could be controlled by the remaining political elite. No one could have ever have anticipated what happened next.
What has all this to do with Brexit? Populist leave politicians resonated with the voters along with their sympathetic media. The message that people were being ignored by an elite is exactly what happened in Germany. There is nothing new under the sun.
I think the world at the moment is relatively safe from populism and its potential for extremes. Unless a major economic depression hits the world. Voters will then look for saviours among any politician who can connect to the mass. History will then repeat itself as it often does.
I don’t think Trump is a dictator only he has that potential so to be. I have great faith and belief the American system will prevent it. In any case Trump is simply a fat cat playing power games, not really a demagogue and that makes a difference.
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Theresa May is next month poised to announce the end of free movement for new EU migrantson the same day that she formally triggers Brexit negotiations.
The Prime Minister is expected to say that EU citizens who travel to Britain after she triggers Article 50 will no longer have the automatic right to stay in the UK permanently.
They will instead be subject to migration curbs after Britain leaves the European Union, which could include a new visa regime and restricted access to benefits.
Mrs May is expected to say that EU migrants who arrived in the UK before the "cut-off date" will have their rights protected as long British citizens living elsewhere in Europe are granted the same assurance.
Telegraph 27 February
If this news is true then expect reciprocal measures in all EU states for British people. Anyone living in Spain currently and not registered are going to have a more difficult time.
This message was last edited by Mickyfinn on 27/02/2017.
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If this is true do you think it's a game changer for migration in general for the UK ?
Future spanish property markets, young people and casual employment etc. I know a lot of people may be worried about long term residency so is it going to affect things straight away do you think?
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The latest figures on migration to the UK have fallen due almost certainly to the uncertain effects Brexit is causing. People want naturally to know they have a long term future in the country of their migratory choice.
I do believe Brits will now think twice about living in Spain due to the uncertain future. The risks are now that much higher. Will work permits be resurrected and access to state healthcare possible? There are some hurdles to residency at the moment so I expect them to be more difficult in future.
There is a report today in El Confidencial a Spanish newspaper that the Spanish government supports a hard line toward Britain on Brexit fearing contagion and the possibility of fuelling future EU scepticisim in the country.
There was a phone-in programme on European Talk radio in Spain yesterday. The programme was inundated by British callers panicking about their legal status in Spain. Like most things in that country it will depend on the level of enforcement the authorites put in place post Brexit.
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I would like to think that the EU and UK will take a sensible view to the situation regarding EU subjects in the UK, and UK expats in the EU. I would think that a sensible way would be to allow existing migrants (in either direction) to retain the rights they enjoy now, and for new migrants to have to comply with any new legislation agreed with both states.
I also think that potential emigrants to Spain are being worried unnessasarily as there are other migrants to the EU and have to observe current legislation that applies to them. I would suggest anyone to check immigration requirements to Spain (or any EU country) and what is needed to comply with these rules. The new rules that will be applied to UK emigrants surely cannot be more strict than what is applied to other current non EU countries?
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FINALLY something we both AGREE on MICKEY HOORAH
SPAIN has been looking for a way of expelling in PARTICULAR the BRITISH and this will In my opinion give them the OPPORTUNITY all good THINGS come to an END
YOU MUST apply for CITIZENSHIP as soon as POSSIBLE before the TRIGGER date and then you MAY BE OK
Love HUGH X
This will HELP
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32001R0539
This message was last edited by hughjardon on 27/02/2017.
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SPAIN has been looking for a way of expelling in PARTICULAR the BRITISH
Keep taking the tablets.
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I doubt that Spain has been looking to expel any nationality, they like tourism, they know it's good for them, and if anything they have been more welcoming to migrants (UK "expats" are migrants too, I'm allergic to the use of Expat for UK and Migrant for everyone else) than any other European country (UK is also a European country). I say all this being a british subject who is constantly rolling his eyes about what the UK has done with this decision. If Brits here now can't get health care or buy a holiday property with peace of mind ... well .... tough. They "expelled" themselves, that much is clear.
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At least my HEAD isnt that DEEP in the SAND that I CAN still take my TABLETS
Love Hugh LOL xxxxxxxx
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