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Has the EU planned for rapid migration or taken note of citizens concerns across many member states? It's not just British concerns.
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The fact is most other EU states have more room geographically than the UK with probably a few exceptions notably Italy. The Italians have probably suffered the most since the refugee crisis but have a natural compassion and understanding for the situation.
Most EU counties can cope with migration perfectly well. The problem for Britain is the continuing austerity drive by Osbourne and cuts to public services which gives the public the impression its all the fault of immigrants.
I believe that austerity has led to greater support for Brexit. The public do not seem to understand that and seek a quick fix to a bogus problem invented by the quitters.
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2346 PP and others.
If the best you can do is post abuse you have lost the argument.
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The problem for Britain is the continuing austerity drive by Osbourne and cuts to public services
We are in danger of getting off subject here, but have you noticed Micky the national debt has been rising all the time since this 'so called' austerity has been going on?
This is a massive problem that we are going to have to solve in or out.
Ask the Greeks about austerity, we would be in a similar boat if we had joined the euro.
Allocation of our EU contribution to reduce the deficit would be a sensible start.
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DANGER - YOGI BEAR IS GOING TO MUG YOUR GRANNY IF WE LEAVE.
But seriously see previous post. By far the biggest danger to the UK economy in or out is the national debt. Everything could be in the melting pot including the NHS and pensions if we do not get a grip of it.
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Agreed the Govt handling of debt is indeed a problem but couple this with lowering of tax for high earners under these circumstances and you see where the Govt's loyalties lie. We're not all greedy Brits. Tadd.. ;)
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Ask the Greeks about austerity, we would be in a similar boat if we had joined the euro.
I doubt it the Greek collapse was again due to their own govt greed and inadequacies and not recogising the shortfall in many things including Greek pensions etc, nothing to with the Euro and they would have been in worse position had they remained with the drachma
Being part of the meant they could be helped as with Spain, Italy, Eire and Portugal
The same with London tax payer helping out the poorer regions of the UK when they are in trouble with low economy, high unemployment and high service costs etc.
Sterling will IMO suffer if the UK exits especially in the shortrem due to uncertainty, because ther are NO plans and the markets do not like that and a recovery wll take years and there will be no support from the EU when the UK might just need it
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Except Britain didn't join the Euro for sound economic reasons. The UK will never join the Euro. The people who decided against it are some of the same people advising Britain to stay in the EU now for sound economic reasons.
Reducing the UK national debt will be even harder after Brexit. Austerity will be even worse and the pensioner benefits and triple lock will be unaffordable.
The right wingers who seek to convince the British to quit the EU have no answer for it except to claim savings on our contributions. I don't think people will fall for it.
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Tad says: The same with London tax payer helping out the poorer regions of the UK when they are in trouble with low economy, high unemployment and high service costs etc.
The facts are different Tad:
The London economy relies on working people living in that region, people who can not afford the rents that the landlords charge, and the mortgages required for owning the properties they live in. The regions pay taxes to the government who then pay the largest chunk of rebate to the London population for rent relief and for working tax credit.
** EDITED - Inciting ** the subsidy in the UK is greater in the London region than in any other region.
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The UK will never join the Euro
Maybe if the UK exits then asks to come back
More serioulsy if the UK does exit and the inevitable UK break up starts then any nation who wishes to remain in the EU will have to adopt the euro
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The people who decided against it are some of the same people advising Britain to stay in the EU now for sound economic reasons.
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Micky - the time to re-write history is when it is all over.
I'll give you Gordon Brown but he did it in the face of Blair, most of the rest of the cabinet and the whole pro-EU caucus. The people against were to a man those who propose out now.
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** EDITED ** the subsidy in the UK is greater in the London region than in any other region.
No true and you really need to check you facts a simple google search will show you the facts
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If Greece had not joined the Euro they could have just printed more money and allowed the drachma to find it's own level.
Staying in the Euro means that they have had to massively cut expenditure on health and pensions (when they were able to pay them at all).
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Subsidy
I think you are each talking about different things when you use the word subsidy.
Subsidies paid by being the the highest taxpayers and subsidies paid to regions or various housing reliefs.
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If Greece had not joined the Euro they could have just printed more money and allowed the drachma to find it's own level
That would have been one solution as would devaluing of a currency either way Greece would still have the problems they have now and even bigger or worse without help from the EU
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Greece would still have the problems they have now
No, they would still have the structural problems they had before joining the euro, but they would not have the problems they have now which were caused by joining the Euro zone. They would not have faced the savage cuts to public expenditure and pensions. The average Greek would have been far better off and only noticed matters if he wanted to travel and buy currency.
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Please bring this under control. We will not tolerate any insults and abuse on this forum. Please respect the forum rules and other members. If it continues those responsible will be suspended from the forums.
Please don't spoil a very important thread and argue your points with respect.
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I am grateful for your input and will continue with the respect you seek.
It is an important point to make that the mention of the London economy being a support to the North of England is simply untrue.
Firstly using Google as a true and correct point of reference is also dangerous, it simply records what others say and leaves it online for people to find when they type in matching words.
My advice is simply that when doing this be careful of the information you come across. Copying and pasting information into a public domain without proper reference is opening oneself up for trouble, and sometimes even ridicule.
So, as a Chartered professional previously working in the correct section of the housing sector to comment, I can say with some required evidence that the boroughs around London require a greater subsidy that any other areas of the U.K. For housing benefit and for wage benefits. Simply to ensure there are enough people to live and work in the area and serve people, this provides money to landlords who rent out property and inflates the economy at the top end, which has little direction towards the general public (because taxation collected from landlords is given back in ever increasing subsidy for climbing rents and mortgages of properties that simply can't be afforded in that region).
This is factual information.
Also the city of London is the square mile of financial sectors which has a small but significant contribution to GDP for its size. It has no comparison with the GDP as a whole to make any comparison of subsidy to the North of England.
Lastly, the financial sector in this London Central district wasted so much money compared to our overall GDP during the crash it created that it will not make a suitable contribution in our lifetime, to the amount it sucked out of all our pockets, North and South alike.
I trust that is a reasonable and direct way of answering the post that included a reference to the subsidy previously mentioned.
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Briando55
First of all I do not tend to copy and paste unless it is someone else comments on here to make a point or an extract from an extract I have quoted.
Secondly there is no problem in anyone cutting and pasting anything that is in the public domain some may like some may not but no matter there is nothing wrong in doing that.
Thirdly my reference to the London tax payers is quoted from a number of sources across the media (press, TV, radio, internet etc.) and not just google and the main point was what Boris Johnson had been spouting off many many times during his tenure as mayor of London and during his campaigns and as I said he is quoted as saying “give back Londoners their tax” there is a lot more if his speeches across the media quoting this and in a lot more detail.
So you may or may not be you are what you say you are (as I do not know for sure or really care, and as many people on here claim to be many things I will take it with a pinch of salt - sorry)
Whatever it is you are it is still only one person’s opinion on a small forum and I disagree with your analysis and prefer to make my own decision based on your comments and everything else I have seen, read, discussed with others etc.
So thank you of your comments which I respect but we will simply have to agree to disagree and move on
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