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Elsietanner you are a real professional as far as excessive compulsive posting is concerned .......you have made 7 today on the brexit thread ,I have not looked at any other threads ,but I am sure you have been sticking you oar in some where else.
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The man tipped to be Donald Trump's ambassador to the European Union has told the BBC the single currency "could collapse" in the next 18 months. Professor Ted Malloch said he would "short the euro" - taking a market position which bets on the value of the currency falling. He also said Britain could agree a "mutually beneficial" free trade deal with America in as little as 90 days. And that it was best for the US if Britain executed a "clean" Brexit. Once outside the single market and the customs union, the UK could bypass "the bureaucrats in Brussels" and forge a free trade deal, he said. Mr Malloch added that any attempt by the EU to block Britain beginning negotiations with the US would be "absurd" and like a husband "trying to stop his wife having an affair".
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And I bet you believe every word of it Jarvi
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Tony Blair is being hosted by the Brussels boss at his Berlaymont headquarters in Brussels.
Jean-Claude Juncker’s spokesman confirmed the pair “knew each other well” and both will “discuss the future relationship of the UK and the EU”.
The meeting comes a day after a Supreme Court ruling decided Theresa May will have to gain the approval of MPs before she triggers Article 50.
Will this in effect alienate UK citizens and work against labour and the remain campaigners?
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I believe it more than anything you might post perry.......
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windtalker = Re EHIC.
Jeremy Hunt actually said:-
Mr Hunt replied: “I hope not, because – as we have made clear – what we seek is the closest possible arrangement, partnership with other countries of the European Union, on the basis of co-operation.
“It’s perfectly possible to agree the continuation of reciprocal healthcare rights as they currently exist – but it’s not possible to predict the outcome of the negotiations.”
Independent 26 January
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7 Labour MPs voted to remain even though the constituency they represent voted over whelming to leave the EU.......,how is it possible for these MPs to remain in the job when they have made it clear to the people that voted them ,that they are not in the job to represent them, they are only their to further their own career's.
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how is it possible for these MPs to remain in the job when they have made it clear to people that voted them ,that they are not in the job to represent them
Normally people would vote for a turnip if it had the right colourd rosette on. Perhaps things are changing? We await the next general election.
It is high time people woke up and stopped voting for people that are unfit to represent them.
In the current circumstances there is no excuse for any democrat refusing to vote for Article 50. I would excuse an MP who voted against having the referendum and who also had a majority in his/her constituency for remain if he/she abstained but no democrat can possibly vote against.
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if he/she abstained
There is no justifictaion for an MP to abstain on anything - if he/she cannot decide then they should ask their consituenst how they wish him/her to vote
I agrre far too many people vote for the colour and not the candidiate to represnt them
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7 Labour MPs voted to remain even though the constituency they represent voted over whelming to leave the EU.......,how is it possible for these MPs to remain in the job when they have made it clear to the people that voted them ,that they are not in the job to represent them, they are only their to further their own career's.
Presumably they will be voted out at the next election, or not selected, or something?
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Sir Ivan Rogers, until recently the U.K. ambassador to the EU, warned yesterday in a commons committee of a “genuine” risk that Britain as a condition of any deal will be asked to pay as much as 60 billion euros to cover budget commitments, civil-service pension liabilities, projects already underway and loan guarantees.
Failure to get the money would leave a “big hole” in the EU’s finances and he predicted talks on a “humongous scale” conducted in an “extremely feisty atmosphere.” Britain cannot expect to walk away from the EU without honouring it’s previously agreed treaty commitments.
Oxford Economics reckons the sum is closer to 47 billion euros, but haggling could set the tone for the negotiations and shape the final deal.
If the British refuse to pay then the EU could retaliate by delaying talks over future trading relations or the market-access it’s willing to offer. The result will then be a cut off cliff edge Brexit with all the inevitable consequences for Britain’s economy.
If Britain attempts to avoid it's legal liabilities the the ECJ may well block any favourable Brexit deal. Either way Brexit is going to cost the people of Britain a great deal.
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Sir Ivan Rogers, until recently the U.K. ambassador to the EU, warned yesterday in a commons committee of a “genuine” risk that Britain as a condition of any deal will be asked to pay as much as 60 billion euros to cover budget commitments, civil-service pension liabilities, projects already underway and loan guarantees.
When a member of, for example a golf club or any other club, votes on the next years budgets and then leaves, they dont have to stump up for what the club voted on. If the current members rely on next years subs to carry out the plans they have, they need to make sure all the membership stays together and the revenue is in place, by satisfying the needs of the members as well as making grand designs.
The EU is no different from real life in that respect (and if it thinks it is then its one of the reasons we are leaving i guess!).
Making former members responsible for future commitments is civil service drivel. If the EU has to alter the commitments they have, then thats the answer.
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Yes Micky, you could always take the negative view, or you could take the positive view that if the EU want us not to go back on any perceived agreements that they may want or need to look at making sure we are not 'shafted'.
I guess that's why we are going to negotiate, and maybe you have just identified the starting point for the negotiations?
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Firstly who has suggested that the UK will not be honouring legal liabilities (so long as they are fair and proportionate)?
Secondly who is to say that if a fair deal is not realised that sadly EU countries would also lose a great deal by any intransigent approach by the EU bureaucrats?
Following your logic through Mickeyfinn, does this mean that for example Germany would be expected to apply tariffs on their cars that they sell to the UK post Brexit, making them markedly uncompetitive in that process resulting in a large part of their market share being compromised? How can such an intransigent approach possibly benefit any EU country where the UK forms a large part of their market share?
Wouldn't the EU bureaucrats be doing a grave disservice to their own citizens by compromising their livelihoods (further exacerbating unemployment across Europe) if they were to continue with such an intransigent approach?
Cutting off their nose to spite their face perhaps but at EU citizens expense? Surely EU citizens should be pressuring their leaders (via the ballot box) to protect their livelihoods by making these powerful intransigent EU bureaucrats far more accountable, demanding that they rightly address citizens' common interests, instead of a dogged ideological approach that is far removed from reality? Citizens should never be the scapegoat in this "game" where mutually beneficial outcomes are rashly discounted by unaccountable EU Bureaucrats intent on scapegoating countries who wish to exit the Union. To repeat, mutually beneficial outcomes are possible in this scenario but I fear that so long as those with all the power (EU Commission) remain in power and continue with an intransigent and inflexible approach that they will continue to place all too many EU citizens at longer term risk.
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Iamy be jumping in a bit but you example
for example Germany would be expected to apply tariffs on their cars that they sell to the UK post Brexit, making them markedly uncompetitive in that process resulting in a large part of their market share being compromised?
What tarifs do German cars have with other countries and especially those with a bigger market than the UK?
Why would the UK get any more benefits than these other none EU countries who alreday have tariffs?
These tariffs for german cars will be passed on to the UK consumer as other none EU car manufacturers currently do - it will be the same for other EU car manufacturers
Yes some car manufatrurers build in UK (for now) but the UK market is NOT that big in the global sense and are not the biggest priority for any or ALL car manufacturers
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AL- I guess that's why we are going to negotiate, and maybe you have just identified the starting point for the negotiations?
Yes I agree everything has to be negotiated. I posted what the closest insiders opinion was when he gave evidence to a select committee. Rodgers opinion must be one he knows will also be one of the EU's negotiating teams opening demands.
The UK entered treaty committments and those liabilities extend to the end date of the agreement unless otherwise conceded.. A contract is a contract.
Brexit as I keep repeating will have a very large quenta for the British people. However as you and some media all keep repeating it's all worth it to have your country back.
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Tadd,
Exactly, if tariffs are passed on from Germany making their cars uncompetitive by comparison to other non EU car manufacturers, UK consumers would no longer be so willing to purchase their cars and would be more likely to shift their focus to other non EU competitive companies, producing similar quality products, companies that would be more than happy to pick up Germany's market share.
But it doesn't have to be like this......
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Mickeyfinn,
May I ask how you realistically propose to make the EU bureaucrats more accountable for their failed policies, within a timeframe that will not continue to compromise citizens currently experiencing unacceptably high unemployment levels and migration pressures (not refugees but EU migrants), which sadly proliferate unrest and alienation, leaving them little option but to move away from their countries or resort to political extremes?
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According to my trade papers that come regularly Mercedes Benz sold 88,603 vehicles from January 2016 to June 2016, it would be hard to believe that this one manufacture alone would penalise that size of market with any sizeable tariff on these vehicles coming into the UK, perhaps you could double these figures for the other six months, would they then compromise the sales on 177,206 profit making items.
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