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what failed policies?
I see no failure in the EU's freedom of movement policy and I repeat the complaints seem to come from the UK
The majority of British citizens have been keen to retain their tolerant psyche and inclusive society that they have been rightly proud of over the years
brexit has clearly shown me this is not true and the "tolerance" you speak of is a masquerade of the truth
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The failed policies you refer to are entirely British. EU treaties were agreed and approved by the British parliament and brought great benefit to Britain.
It was successive UK governments which failed to deal with their social and economic impact. It was entirely predictable population growth would need effective remedies.
Cuts in public spending and lack of investment in services are responsible not EU treaties or the alleged reform need you keep writing about,
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Not just UK disillusionment Tadd….
Back in 2013 the following was observed…
https://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/survey-finds-growing-disillusionment-with-eu/
"Positive views of the European Union are at or near their low point in most EU nations, even among the young, the hope for the EU’s future," the authors say.
At the same time, the southern European nations of Spain, Italy and Greece have become increasingly estranged, and France is drifting their way too, leaving a big divide with Germany.
"No European country is becoming more dispirited and disillusioned faster than France," the authors concluded, highlighting French citizens' rapidly declining confidence in the economy, in President François Hollande's leadership and in the country's overall commitment to the EU.
What's more, the survey showed that French public opinion was now sharply at odds with Germany's and more closely aligned with that of Italy, Greece and Spain.
"The French now have less faith in the European Union as an institution than do the Italians or the Spanish," the survey found. "And the French, like their southern European compatriots, have lost confidence in their elected leader."
http://openeurope.org.uk/campaigns/putting-democracy-heart-eu/
The EU faces a stark choice: reconnect with citizens or risk rejection
Across Europe, citizens’ trust in the EU has plummeted to 30% – compared to over 50% only a decade ago. Turnout in elections for the European Parliament – the institution meant to re-establish a link between voters and Brussels – has gone down in every single election since direct voting began. From 65% in 1979 to an appalling 42.5% in 2014. This despite MEPs having only gained more powers in that time period. The only feasible way to regain people’s trust is to bring back decisions closer to home – by empowering national Parliaments, local communities, families and individuals.
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as i said i don't disagree totally but there is more good and success is the eu than bad
yes discontent is around, it is cyclical, happens everywhere and many have their own reasons and the world economy is a major impact on that.
things will change and get better for the eu with or without the uk
time will tell,
I am confident for the future within the eu I am not so confident about the long term uk future so we are making plans to try and ensure all our children and grandchildren maintain their EU citizenship
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Blame the EU
Theresa May says surgeries that close early are fuelling an A&E winter crisis - but GPs say the real problem is a lack of funds.
NIGERIAN mum Bimbo Ayelabola flew to Britain to give birth to her quintuplets by caesarean section. Her two-week stay in Homerton Hospital, East London, cost the NHS around £200,000, but it is unlikely she will ever pay a penny of the sum back.
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PotBlack. I probably have to 'challenge' your alias!
The problem with Health Tourism has been going on for years. I used to work alongside the Immigration Service and my wife was a ward manager. You may have seen one of these 'fly on the wall' series with the UK Immigration Service cancelling visas for obviously pregnant Nigerian women attempting to come to the UK to have their babies. People transiting through Heathrow often feel ill and have to seek treatment and I've known at least one case where the person concerned went directly to hospital with a stomach ache and was admitted due to his terminal cancer.
While the GP's are complaining about theri workload, there is no entitlement system for healthcare in the UK. GP's and other Healthcare professional actively oppose checking entitlement to healthcare in the UK and we know only pennies are recovered from other countries for healthcare supplied to foreign nationals.
The UK needs a system to check entitlement like Spain and the GP's and Hospitals will not be as overloaded as they are and more money will be going into the UK's International Heath Service.
Many of the nurses that my wife worked with were Phillipino's and I worked with them in Saudi. Great people, as were the Sri Lankans and other nationalities.
When we are out of the EU not only will we be more able to control demands on UK services, infrastructure and entitlements, we will be able to recruit from the whole world, in particular countries where the primary or secondary language is English. Additionally we will also recruit from countries who are trained to UK standards.
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MikeandHelen
I was with you all the way until your last paragraph. How will leaving the EU enable UK to control and cut down demand from Africa, Asia and so on? If the systems aren't in place already, why would they suddenly appear after Brexit?
Yet again, the EU being blamed for the UK failings.
And potblack. Bimbo Ayelabola was contacted after she'd had her kids and stated she'd never got a bill from the NHS. An NHS spokesman said they'd sent her one bill some months after she'd returned to Africa and weren't going to chase up the payment due. Yet another UK failing which has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.
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What part of the EU is Nigeria in?
The births in question took place in 2010
the amount involved was much less than £200,000. That is a made up figure
the woman in question has family in the UK and was visiting with them when she was rushed in for an emergency caesarean.
what has any of this got to do with Brexit or the EU? Absolutely nothing.
Just more nonsense being spouted to try to support a position that has no merits.
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So Tadd
Back to EU concerns
Do please tell us how the EU economies are about to turn around when the EUroZone is second only to Antrartica in worst current economic growth, unemployment is inordinately high in many countries, many of the banks are in need of state support again and they are threatening to cut off one of their biggest customers.
I can just see France buying all the Mercs, BMWs and Audis that the UK currently buys, can't you?
Renault will be ever so pleased.
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Mikeandhelen -When we are out of the EU not only will we be more able to control demands on UK services, infrastructure and entitlements, we will be able to recruit from the whole world, in particular countries where the primary or secondary language is English. Additionally we will also recruit from countries who are trained to UK standards.
Britain has been able to do that for the forty two years it's been a member of the EU. You are confusing trade agreements with other matters. British business and public services can employ anyone it choses to do from any country on earth. Britain like France can control it's public services and regulate the people who use them.
No wonder Brexit happened with such mis-informed twaddle.
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Why are DayDream B*Leavers spending so much time on here running down the EU?
Dont you remember...you are leaving. It all looks very much like buyer's regret to me. Stop trying to convince yourselves that you made the right choice by inventing fake news, reciting parts of ten year old news stories and chanting your referendum campaign slogans mixed in with bad statistics.
The EU is going to do just fine without the UK's meddling. If you wanted to have influence in the EU you should have voted to stay. Tadd, Micky and I explained that in detail to you.
Best you all get used to having a very small voice in the world and recognise how it feels to be sidelined. The UK is going to have as much influence as New Zealand. Good place to start with a trade deal.
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Many people are sighting immigration and border controls the reason for the exit vote. But non EU health tourism demonstrates that if we had complete border controls what difference would that actually make.
UK NHS crisis seems to dominate the news. How much health tourism is there in Spain?.
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hugh man
when the EUroZone is second only to Antrartica in worst current economic growth,
Rot. Why just make things up like that? The whole of the EU had a a growth of 1.7%, only just below that of the UK although Spain had an economic growth of 3.2%, Ireland (also in the EU remember) 4.5%.
Now compare that with Japan at 0.5%, South America at less than 1% with Mexico at -0.5%, Brazil -1.8% and Venezuela forecast as -8%.
South Africa 0.2%, In Africa as a whole, only those who export oil showed a growth of over 2% while most fell to betwen 0/4 and 0.6%.
Now, if as the phrase on here that seems to be growing in momentum is, if you're going to make sh1t up then at least make it credible.
(Problem is, and worringly, you probably believe the rubbish you posted along with all the other myths about the EU).
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Daftest post yet from petty power, the thread is headed Brexit, not EUstay, what does he expect from haters of the super state?
Now back on topic, what is Corbyn up to? Firstly he's moderately out, then he's moderately in, now he's all about restricting high pay, his trade union masters appear to be more interested in a Spring of discontent than a decent exit from the EU, so if Theresa sticks to her guns it's going to be a no contest.
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The government is prepared to abandon the single market, customs union and the European Court of Justice in order to achieve a clean break with the EU, Theresa May is expected to say this week.
The Prime Minister will also call for “an end to the division” which has maintained a hold over the country since the referendum, in a speech which is expected to give the most detailed insight yet into her approach to the forthcoming talks with Brussels.
But the reported announcements – which indicate a hard Brexit – have worried Remain campaigners, who branded it as an “an incredibly reckless move” by the Prime Minister, and one which she did not have a proper mandate for.
Ms May is expected to say that the UK will regain full control of its borders, even at the price of single market membership, and leave the customs union in order to pursue international trade
Independent 15 Jan 2017
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I think mariedav answred part of yoru question
Teh UK wil probaly still buy EU made cars but at much increased price and remember the UK market for these cars is not the biggest market for the car manufacture check the figures and do a bit reserach - The Uk are NOT that important
potblack
UK NHS crisis seems to dominate the news. How much health tourism is there in Spain?.
it is not rocket science why the Spanish do not have helath toourims on the same scale (or as stupid) as the UK -
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Very interesting but you are quoting solely from 2016 alone, where you would expect some bounce at some stage considering EU economies have been virtually stagnant since 2008.
The bounce has come largely at the expense of unemployment and the result of some sensible belt tightening and in Spain case has been an invpcrease in Brits holidaying and spending considering its relative safety compared to Tunisia, Turkey and Egypt as holiday destinations.
try figures in 2014,and 15 and research back to 2008 if you care.
http://theconversation.com/fact-check-does-only-the-economy-of-antarctica-grow-slower-than-the-eus-61235
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A question for the educated on this forum ,apparently the UK has to leave the EU within the 2 year time scale laid down by the EU and as we all know the Union is very very slow at making decisions ,so if the 27 remaining country's can't come to a agreement within the allotted 2 year period will the UK just leave anyway.
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