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Perry,
Isn't that because the Spanish and Dutch etc. are allowed to catch most of our fish and then export it back to us.
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briando55
Firstly your assuming I am a Brexiter which is wrong.
Apologies but it was not really diercted at you or anyone in particular
Secondly your using my observation for your own purposes, when I am simply stating one of the ways to deal with an unfair and stupid policy. Simply put in place an equaly unfair and stupid policy.
Not for my own purpose just ponting out that having trade embargos could easily start a trade embagro war and teh UK will be even more isolated
............ But Im sure that given chance we have suitable civil servants in place who are better at negotiating than thee and me, and our politicians, (and the EU self styled gods of the world).
Let's hope so but I am not confident given what has NOT been done and the comments to date. Remember EU politicians are just as astute if not more and they really do have the upper hand contrary to the belief of many in the UK
a Bit pot and kettle referring to the EU as self styed Gods of the world - that lable surley belongs to the UK 100% with it's arrogance, self proclamaition of being great, unique, elitism and holier than thou attitude etc.
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Sadly not. It is a common misconception...
British fisherman and the public want the UK to open the incredibly complex EU fishing stsystem that sets quotas. Right now we can fish in their waters - they can fish in ours. Each country gets given quotas based on their fleet and the available fish stocks by type. The fish we want (typically white meat, for fish and chips and fish fingers) come from Norwegian and Icelandic waters. If we get Brexit wrong we could wreck our industry but does anyone even care? I know I do. I care about farmers, fishers, bankers (probably in theminority there) as well as the car industry.
Patrick Minford basically says loosing the car industry will probably happen and should because they can be made cheaper elsewhere and the consumer in the UK should benefit. He sees car workers as collateral damage that we can and should live with.
This message was last edited by perrypower1 on 21/12/2016.
This message was last edited by perrypower1 on 21/12/2016.
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So why did our fishing industry go into a steep decline soon after we joined the EEC?.
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UK exports around 70% of the fish it catches. Either it is the wrong fish or we can sell it for more than we can buy it for.
Out of all waters coming under the EU, the UK has 30% of the quotas. Not 1/28 or even 1/9 (of the original countries) but 1/3. The traditional fish that we like was rather lost to us when we lost the Iceland cod wars and can no longer fish within 200 nautical miles of the Icelandic coast where we used to get most of it. That will not change after we leave the EU.
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So moving our territorial waters much further out won't make any difference to us?
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Very true. We cannot simply blame the European Union for the loss of jobs in the industry over the past four decades, as some have tried to do. Of course, not everyone thinks that the common fisheries policy has worked for them, but it is overly simplistic to lay all the industry’s problems at the EU’s door. The policy’s inception came when the industry was already in decline due to shrinking fishing stocks, environmental concerns, which were not necessarily known about previously, and other factors. The sharpest fall in the employment of fishermen came before Britain joined the EEC, between the years of 1948 and 1960.
Since the Cod Wars, Iceland has lost twice as many fisher jobs as the UK. It is important to note that the UK is allocated about 30% of the EU's total catch even though it has only 13% of the total sea area.
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tenerife
So moving our territorial waters much further out won't make any difference to us?
We already have a 200 nautical mile limit in place "except where it crosses another country's territorial waters".
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How come EU trawlers can be seen off our coast?
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Because the quotas allow them to fish in our waters. The same as British trawlers can fish in Norwegian, Dutch or French waters. Obviousl the 200 nm limit does not apply along the Dover straits and it reverts to the 12 nm limit (otherwise we could fish to just outside Paris and the French could fish up to Cambridge if there were waters).
Plus many of the quotas were sold by British (mainly Scottish ISTR) fishermen to Dutch and Spanish trawlers.
I'm pretty sure there will still be a market for the fish we catch after we leave. I mentioned 70% of our catch is exported and most of that goes to 7 of the EU countries. But considering we don't have many fishing boats left (after they were sold off) and a new boat is going to cost in excess of a million quid there won't be much of a rush to start buying. As the only way to make much of a profit is to use the big trawler/factory ships then an investment running into billions would be needed.
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You've obvoiusly been reading much the same stuff as me!
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My point is that people who say we can just up and leave the EU are rather living in a fool's paradise. There are so many things to sort out (like fishing) that it will take wiser heads than we have on here to sort it out. Hopefully the UK will end up with a good deal out of it for those in UK and those of us who live in the EU.
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My 'point' in the post I made is to illustrate how difficult any trade deal between the EU and UK is likely to be considering the ratification process that is needed to satisfy the legal process. The deal with Canada almost failed recently because the regional parliament of Wallonia objected.
It may well be that there is a well of sympathy in all EU member nations to help the UK achieve a good prioritised trade deal, or maybe not?
How long the ratification process is likely to take is another question. Will the UK leave the EU before that takes place? Two years seems an overly optimistic time table.
PS: Foreign investment in the UK is down 1.6% since the rederendum result. British business is also not investing, leaving consumers to support UK GDP.
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Round and round and round, same old, same old.....
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Why Berlin Why Paris Why London Why the Twin Tower's Why aren't the EU listening what next( Brexit )Please do not blame the majority of the UK for voting OUT we need border controls so these people haters can be stopped wandering unrestricted all over the so called European Union.
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Round and round and round, same old, same old.....
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Yes, we have already fully discussed Kipper quotas. This thread seems to be suffering from compulsive posting disorder. Any other fish we require can be obtained from Birds Eye, they have loads.
Not sure what border controls will achieve regarding terrorist. They do not have terrorist tattooed on their forehead and any non EU Tom, Dick and Harry can get a tourist visa. What about our home grown mob?.
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We need stronger border controls. So that anyone talking the country down and bigging up the EU/SSR shouldn't be allowed back in...
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