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Spot on Mariedav. Not sure how UK pensions are affected by Spanish expats as the UK does not give them any pension. The U.K. Does not give housing benefits to retired Spanish expats. No idea where some of these comments are coming from but it is just another £350million a week fantasy being used to support Brexit.
The NHS wastes money on a massive scale. They do great work medically but when it comes to handling money they don't have a clue.
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Maridav the reason behind the lack of checks is quite simple ,every EU citizen is in titled to use our NHS /DSS at no cost because of a EU ruling that clearly States ,that if a person from a member state is in the UK ,the UK is obligated to supply them with the same benefits that they provide for the UK citizens .this is what one of the most powerful men in the world ( Mr David Cameron ) tried to change when he went over to EUROPE ,he got nothing and got sent home with his thumb stuck up his back side this is why the OUTs came out winning the referendum.mean while l have got to work utill I am 67 before I get a pension ,my wife is 7 year's younger has bean informed she won't get a pension until she reaches 70 years of age we both have been working and paying in to the system since the age of 16.
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Mariedav you highlight some valid failures and inefficiencies of Cameron's govt, but you also need to take account of EU economic policy that exacerbated unemployment in member states, stripped member states of their skill sets, and in that process incentivised economic migration to the UK on a grand scale.
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Wind talker. Get your financial advisor to check your UK State Pension age. You should get it by age 66. Your wife should get it when she is 67.
The reason is we are living longer. Nothing to do with the EU. For men it is only one year longer that the earliest date (65) that ever existed and four years shorter than the date when pensions were first introduced (age 70).
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Perrypower1 that's the bullshite that the government was telling us in the UK prior to the EU referendum ,let me tell you how it is there is only one bank account that the UK government has it hold's the proceeds of taxation and N I contributions the government share's this out so much to Pension /DSS /NHS and the likes ,we are taxed to to hilt's to fund this is the main reason the age for a state pension is getting higher by the day ,the whole of the EU can claim on our DSS /NHS system ,and that only leave's a very small amount to fund the so called old age pension this has got to stop ,according to EU policy and rule's the UK has to provide these service to all EU citizen,s that decide to reside in the UK ,the UK only has the right to refuse when the system has gone bust ,and only then will the EU allow policy change this is bonkers and just will not work.
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Wind, you are really getting yourself wound up over this. I don't know who has been feeding this misinformation to you but they are wrong. Firstly, since the State Pension (or old age pension) started up it has always been underfunded. We have never put enough money in it. The idea is that Pensions should be fully funded by our contributions by the time we retire. That is what happens with Private Pensions and State Pensions should not be any different. Because we have never put enough money (via NI contributions) into the pot, we have had to raid other pots of money (like DSS) to cover the shortfall. You are right that there is only one pot of money but there are budgets for each department. State Pensions have become too generous. We either have to receive lower pensions, contribute more, or get them for less time. None of these is what people want but that is the reality. The most likely scenario is that our children will have to pay increasing amounts to fund our old age, but the cupboard will be bare by the time they reach 70.
That is why we are all encouraged to save (via non-state pensions) for our retirement. State Pensions are just another form of benefit that is becoming unaffordable. It however is one benefit that you don't get unless you have at least ten years of qualifying contributions and something like 40 years of qualifying contributions to get the full amount. I assure you that people from the EU or elsewhere that come to the UK don't get anything from it unless they contribute.
The whole of the EU does not claim on our DSS/NHS. If they live here they can and we can reclaim the NHS from their home country. If we don't then it is us that are stupid, don't blame them or the EU. DSS is even more restrictive as a source of benefit for EU citizens.
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If the Civil Servants did not spend all day counting paper clips and did a real days work like the rest of us had to do maybe we would not be in this mess. Niether the politicians or the civil servants could run a bath, why are we always in diere straights. Common sense says you have got to earn it to spend it. 2 plus 2 = 4 but this seems to be beyond this lot.
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Errr are you talking the busted economies of Greece, Italy, Spain here?
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It is in the interests of all EU states who seek to see the EU prosper that Brexit becomes a catastrophe for Britain. To that end no compromises will be offered. Britain voted to leave because of immigration and free movement of peoples. So be it, that's their choice. However the British must also carry the consequences of holding views such as that. Britain must accept the economic damage and loss of influence that view will cause them. Isolationism in a global world can never work.
Protests against the immigration of European peoples such as the Brexit vote may well in the future prove to be the Achilles Heel of the British. The one issue which transformed a once prosperous nation into a struggling off shore island where no one actually any longer wants to move to. In a sense the immigration crisis will be then solved.
This extract from a piece by PollyToynbee in today's Guardian illustrates the threat.
Danger ahead grows as the Visegrad group of countries – Slovakia, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic – say they will tolerate no UK deal that curtails free movement. Jean-Claude Juncker, the European commission president, doesn’t see “any possibility of compromise”, merely stating the obvious, since all 27 countries plus the European parliament have to agree the deal. One thing unites them – the determination to warn others against leaving by making sure Britain will be worse off out.
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And you expect the German motor industry to allow their government to go along with Poland, Czech, etc.
Dream on.
Thats exactly why the EU trade policy is not working, NO growth in Eurozone.
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The arrangements after Brexit the EU puts in place must have a mandatory unanimous approval vote. German has one vote.
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Brexit will not actually happen. That is why Boris got a dressing down by Number Ten for saying an Article 50 letter was being prepared and would be issued in January/February 2017. T. May is not daft. The Brexit drama will run and run like Game of Thrones. I'm already looking forward to season two, and Nigel Farage is scheduled to return in season four.
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Well perrypower1 ''Brexit will not actually happen.''
I suppose that's the end of this thread, no point posting anything else, it's been interesting while it lasted, I will miss all the different opinions. Goodbye everyone for now, see you soon on a new thread.
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Let me ask a question that no-one appears to have answered to date.
Are you aware of EU bureaucrats reviewing their policy of freedom of movement to allow for greater flexibility wherever member states are experiencing mass unemployment, or where member states are suffering the opposite i.e. mass inward migration (EU economic migrants)? Are you aware of any attempts to reform and deal with growing citizen unrest in existing member states suffering the consequences of either of the above scenarios?
Are you aware of EU bureaucrats reviewing their policy to better control the flow, security, and distribution of refugees? Do you see them setting out quotas and/or any restrictions/security measures in this regard?
Do you see any credible way forward for the EU to appease those who appear to be severely compromised by the above? This is not with regard to just the UK, but all members states currently struggling to prevent the growth of unrest in their midst?
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Free movement is a founding principle of the EU. Principles are not open to change unless you abandon the entire project. The Catholic Church have been pressured to change it's core principles and they never have. Doing so would weaken a belief system mortally. One member leaving is not going to alter the foundations of an organisation in which there is wide accord among it's members.
I dont agree with PP that Brexit will not happen. I believe it's a done deal and article 50 will be invoked in early 2017. Almost everyone agrees it's better to get on with it than tolerate this uncertainty which is actually the worst aspect of the vote so far.
The EU will regroup and emerge stronger after this challenge. The UK will flounder and struggle. Such is the power and wish of the people.
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Freedom of movement blah, blah, blah. This is not what the UK signed up to when it joined the "club" years ago. It's about time the doom and gloom remoaners stopped putting this country down and hoping against all odds that they will be proved right, and bugger the consequences. The people of the UK voted to leave the EUSSR, and Brexit IS going to happen whether they like it or not, get over it and support the country of your birth. If not leave and live in the EUSSR. This is my last post on this Brexit forum because everyone should pull together for the UK, and cannot listen to any more drivel from people trying their damndest to drive the UK down. As for the EUSSR good luck with that one. I would recommend that anyone else on this forum that voted remain to ignore the remoaners and don't bother telling them the truth as they are never going to listen. Their brainwashed heads are stuck firmly into the sand and obviously they are happy to live in a dictatorship and never want to be removed from it.
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Nothing much to do with the nice folk coming to the UK, Brexit happening or not...
But one of my friends is a manager in an electronics company that supply electrical gizmos for machinery that moves, if it moves they have a circuit for it, so it would seem, I did not ask where they come from, they make, buy in, and sell, have to suppose China, Japan and so on for many parts.
Anyway she has to make sure the company has sales of at least £250.000 per month to cover the main overheads, everything after this is good for the company, for the past 5 years they have taken £250.000 to £450.000, she said pretty much on a regular basis.
August is always a bad month due to holidays etc, yet they took over £600.000 in August, this month alone, so far, they have taken just over £750.000 with existing orders still to be filled, many more orders are coming in daily, she cant explain why the sudden upturn, almost to a T these orders are coming from nearly all EU countries, with some orders coming from countries they haven't dealt with on any grand scale before, she has taken on a couple of extra staff to cope with demand.
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Jarvi wrote:
Freedom of movement blah, blah, blah. This is not what the UK signed up to when it joined the "club" years ago.
Actually Freedom of movement and residence for persons in the EU is the cornerstone of Union citizenship, which was established by the Treaty of Maastricht in 1992. A Tory Prime Minister John Major signed up for it on behalf of the UK people. It is also an enshrining principle of the EU eventually ratified at Maasstrict.
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The arrangements after Brexit the EU puts in place must have a mandatory unanimous approval vote. German has one vote.
Exactly my point, only one vote but a massive interest in continuing to trade with the U.K.
Wake up and smell the coffee, the EU continues to work for and benefit major corporations and companies NOT the working man.
The first working man to be allowed to have a say was in the UK, wait for the fall out in the EU over immigration quotas, the economy and the supposed single market.
WTO tariffs run at approximately 2.4%, what exactly us the point of a single market other than over regulation for small business but allowing bigger business to have a major influence on the regulatory authority.
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