| The Comments |
Or Balls, Ed of course.
Mickey you really are hanging by a very thin thread if you think a politician, who by the way gets far too much airtime as she represents only 1.5 million voters, less than Yorkshire, is going to be able to influence our decision.
Even Rajoy has said, no way Scotland should be allowed to join the EU.
Oil is half the price that independence based its original economic forecasts on
Latest opinion polls, though not reliable, suggest dwindling interest in independence.
Even Farage who many hate, polled over 4 mill votes at a UK election campaigning for leave. Nicola 1.5 mill.
What is it about democracy and rights of the people that you don't appear to understand?
0
Like
|
Yes MARIE it's a word I was unfamiliar with until ONE morning a few years ago
I leaped out of bed to a STRANGE noise pulled my UNDERWEAR on hurriedly only to find my GARDENER in the front of my villa who STARTED to laugh ,when I mentioned he had awoken me HE POINTED at my groin and well I think you can IMAGINE the rest
Hope I haven't spoilt your BACON SARNIES
Love Hugh xx
_______________________
Done the Spain thing Happier in the UK
1
Like
|
Rob
Unless you are a mass market such as US or Europe, developing a lengthy Trade Deal is not necessary there is a WTO which makes buying and selling goods relatively easy UNLESS of course you wish to set stringent regulations on the goods traded, which the EU do, good or bad.
Just look at the problems of food trade on TTIP between US and Europe, so many differences in regulations or allowances not going to happen.
If 2 or more countries wish to buy and sell goods that are acceptable to each other, there is no need for a complicated Trade Deal.
We just have to agree that South African fruit and wine is acceptable to us.
SA will not lose consumers or customers from Brexit as it will continue trade with Europe but may well see an opportunity to sell us more of their wine as the French stuff becomes more expensive.
Ditto for many other exporters around the globe.
2
Like
|
Ooh and Rob
Forgot to mention non EU countries would love to sell us more that they currently do, it would boost their economies enormously.
It would just mean less EU products on our supermarket shelves, oh dear, would that not weaken their economies.
Basic economics are the Laws of supply and demand and the Law of diminishing returns, both referring to trade,
look them up.
Perhaps Mr Carney also needs to go back to basics.
If goods become expensive in one place, buyers will source cheaper alternatives.
0
Like
|
Forgot to mention non EU countries would love to sell us more that they currently do, it would boost their economies enormously..........
Eg cheap steel, cheap meat and lots of other things that would obliterate production in swathes of the UK.. Free trade is a two way street. We can't block cheap chinese steel and expect China to commit stuff from the UK.
I don't need to look up the laws of supply and demand I think we will feel them biting fairly soon.
_______________________
Scollins
1
Like
|
Quite right scollins, we sold the likes of India their plethora of rolling mills when the UK went over to specialised steel production. I read somewhere that Germany uses over 30% of it's own steel production, deeper investigation shows that the steel that it uses is in the main, fabrication steel for the building trade. We just can't afford to produce low cost steel anymore, however I would be delighted to buy it from our valued Commonwealth friends, who take much of our specialised aerospace steel...
_______________________
IF YOU WISH TO QUOTE ANY OF MY POSTS PLEASE DO SO IN THEIR ENTIRETY AND NOT JUST A FEW SELECTED WORDS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT.
THANK YOU.
2
Like
|
According to an article in the Times today ( titled "Exports up, speculators out: if this is a crisis, long may it continue" ), " it identified the common agricultural policy has the effect of raising food prices within the EU by about 17% above world market prices."
Also Mervyn King ( previous BOE governor) is not of the same opinion as Mark Carney since " his intuitive sympathies are much more with industry than high finance...his chipper demeanor last week will have owed much to the news that British factories are reporting a surge in export orders."
This message was last edited by ads on 16/10/2016.
2
Like
|
Isn't the construction industry the single largest market for Tata steel Destry? So does this mean that they can step up production to meet our own needs?
0
Like
|
It's impossible to win
Rob says EU goods will become more expensive in the UK because Mark Carney says so, raising inflation.
Scoliins says that free trade means that we can buy cheaper goods in the UK, lowering inflation.
Which is correct chaps or are we doomed either way?
Oh woe is us.
Just remember if the NHS doesn't get the whole 350mill there will be money left to support British industry once unshackled from the EU.
0
Like
|
Hugh wrote
Mickey you really are hanging by a very thin thread if you think a politician, who by the way gets far too much airtime as she represents only 1.5 million voters, less than Yorkshire, is going to be able to influence our decision.
The population of Scotland in 2015 was 5,347,600 souls. The registered voter population in Scotland for the EU referendum was 4,099,532. A little more than Yorkshire.
In any case it is the significance of sovereignty that really matters for the British. The breakup of the United Kingdom would be a mortal blow to the government in Westminster. Had Cameron lost the union he would have resigned and perhaps this wretched EU referendum would not have taken place.
Make no mistake Scotland matters and are in a position in Parliament to bring the Tories down if combined with Labour and a few remainer Tories. They cannot be ignored as many would wish.
Had the Labour Party a more effective leader May could be forced into giving parliament a vote on the terms of Brexit which would block it. She knows that and will continue to resist until a constitutional crisis emerges on the very role of parliamentary democracy in Britain.
Brexit is not yet a done deal. Or at least a hard Brexit is not
_______________________
Time is the school in which we learn
Time is the fire in which we burn.
Delmore Schwartz.
1
Like
|
Looking at some of the thread contents I get the feeling some people think the 'brexit' has somehow gone to penalties after a draw and extra time.
its really time for politicians of all parties (including Scottish and smaller persuasions) to be grown up and discuss the future from an all party approach.
The vote is cast, the result is in, we are to leave.
Just putting sovereignty in there as the reason they wanted to leave is not good enough, most people can't agree on what sovereignty means to them. I suspect sovereignty is an excuse to be racist for a lot of people, perhaps including Nicola Sturgeon being racist against English as well.
Its time for politicians to be grown up and to seek positive outcomes for all the people, not to become entrenched in their own selfishness and try to gain some kind of advantage at the expense of the people in general.
_______________________
Best wishes, Brian
2
Like
|
Ah, that word racist, I well recall being labled a racist b.....d by a Welsh left wng academic for stating that I considered Chief Buthelezi to have some very valid points during his election campaign against Nelson Mandella, but I suppose that everyone has the right to be an idiot.
_______________________
IF YOU WISH TO QUOTE ANY OF MY POSTS PLEASE DO SO IN THEIR ENTIRETY AND NOT JUST A FEW SELECTED WORDS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT.
THANK YOU.
1
Like
|
The difficulty with the word 'leave' is in the detail. Just leaving the EU invokes all kinds of consequences never envisaged during the referendum campaign. For example if migrant workers cannot come to Britain without due visa process British farmers will go out of business. They rely on temporary short term migrants to work in their fields. British people will not do the work.
Banks need free access to financial markets in Europe or they will relocate to Frankfurt or Paris.
Tariffs on UK products will make them impossible to sell within the Euro area. I know Britain may find markets elsewhere in the world but that will take years. One estimate I read is 56% EU tariffs on Beef products.
So just exiting the EU without due process and some form of compromise negotiations will bring about economic Armageddon in Britain. Even the most ardent Brexiteer surely does not wish that on their nation.
_______________________
Time is the school in which we learn
Time is the fire in which we burn.
Delmore Schwartz.
2
Like
|
Just a point of discussion overall.
Joining the EU took an act of parliament in the 70's. What is the logic that says leaving it does not require an act of parliament?
Or maybe logic is wrong, and its just a very legal area of quicksand where we are simply to trust a PM to handle all constitutional matters as the PM sees fit? Although, if that were the case, why did we need an act of parliament to enter in the first place...?
This message was last edited by rob_j1 on 17/10/2016.
2
Like
|
Briando55
This may seem like a can of worms, but what is a racist? I'm not trying to be funny, but I thought Scotland and England were peoples from the SAME race? It may be a question of nationalism, which I could understand, but as for racism, I'm not clear on the distinction there??
This message was last edited by rob_j1 on 17/10/2016.
0
Like
|
Rob, I'm not sure either to be honest.
I used to think of differences between UK countries, jokey or otherwise, as banter in the first description.
We have what we call a mixed race society now, including ethnicity from other countries or continents and these are now generations born here, which become English, Welsh, Scottish, British etc. It has a racist label if any bad comments are made against someones origin, and I suppose this has become a label used in society in more general terms.
I hate the notion of nationlism between home countries though, I think on balance I prefer racist!!.
We have saxons, celts, normans, ayrians and others mixed in among us, difficult to be nationaiistic or racist I guess.
I was in Majorca last week and England were playing the second one day international against Bangladesh and we were watching the highlights in the hotel bar. A lady in front of us was cheering like mad (really going for it!) each thime we lost a wicket. Her husband looked a bit ashamed, we thought she had bangladesh roots with white skin, no problem.
It turned out she was Scottish and just celebrated England losing something. Im not sure if thats racist or nationlist but Its pretty unpleasant though, we thought she was showing herself up and had a good laugh afterwards. I dont understand it myself!!.
This message was last edited by briando55 on 17/10/2016.
_______________________
Best wishes, Brian
0
Like
|
Micky,
Hammond said we could have a light touch for skilled immigrants, and a heavier one for the unskilled. But crucially, he also said if employers couldn't attract locals, then they could make a case for hiring from outside the UK.
0
Like
|
Its sad when emnity becomes so deep rooted to be focused against a whole nation without regard for individuals and even sadder when it results in vindictive divisive and inciting behaviour. :(
In a way, this is part of my gripe against EU bureaucrats whose lack of flexibility and comprehension of actual impacts on citizens across member states are causing division and alienation through their policies and treaty which takes such scant regard of the consequences.
It shouldn't have to be like this and I tend to agree with Briando55 when he calls for politicians to seek positive outcomes for citizens and not become entrenched in selfish ideology.
0
Like
|
A new bill to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act that took Britain into the EU must now be passed by parliament. The belief is that because the people voted in a referendum to leave, MP’s will not have the courage to usurp the will of the people. That may or may not be true.
Most MP’s are remainers and having the power to prevent Brexit may be too tempting.
_______________________
Time is the school in which we learn
Time is the fire in which we burn.
Delmore Schwartz.
0
Like
|
In which case a new bill will be required to represent the new act the referendum has created.
It is not possible for the parliament to instruct a referendum and then disregard the outcome, regardless of the articles present in the parliament. This would be against the will of the people majority, voted in a democratic method under current rules and requirements.
I dont envy the role of the MP's but I dont agree with any way they can sidestep the referendum. That would be a kind of anarchy and would lead to a very bitter period in our history, which may include some kind of revolt or revolution.
_______________________
Best wishes, Brian
1
Like
|