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Let's say Scotland gets independence.... Does that mean the Scottish Government /' Tax payer will have to allow the rest of the EU access to the Scottish NHS/DSS/Council House's /Education and so on I think you have the picture if this is so ....Why can't the Scottish government fund these services at the moment with the Tax system that they control and have in place bearing in mind the UK governmen/Tax payer is helping the Scot's out with Billions of UK Tax payers pounds per year. Sturgeon is adamant that Scotland will be a full EU block member this membership includes Free movement of people/and give access to services and benefits to EU citizens that the people of Scotland enjoy how is this going to be possible.
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BLEEDING HELL I thought JAYWICK was ROUGH
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You have a point but you are assuming Scotland would keep the same model as they have now they may decide to operate more like Spain
They might see the faults of the current system and change who knows
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PP, yes I was warning about divisive rhetoric and impact from inability to adequately control outside factors, leading to disharmony with potential to ruin tolerance and cohesion many moons ago, but from the perspective of EU bureaucratic intransigence and failure to recognise and respond to policies that have sadly led to growing discontent in Europe.
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** EDITED - Against forum rules **.The SNP presents their mandate to the good people of Scotland and takes away the DSS /NHS /Council Houses and then adds extremely high Taxes .
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The most obvious issue is that the oil price has halved since the 2014 poll, making Scotland’s public finances after independence look far less rosy. To make the sums add up, those advocating independence assumed an oil price of $100 a barrel, double today’s level. According to estimates made last year by the Institute for Fiscal Studies, Scotland will have a budget deficit of more than 9% of GDP this year, more than three times as big as that for the UK.
As the IFS noted, Scotland is insulated from the consequences of its spending being higher than its tax revenues because the UK government hands Edinburgh a block grant each year that covers non-devolved items such as defence and social security. An independent Scotland would be responsible for its own finances and could not rely on North Sea revenues to balance the books. There would be pressure for taxes to go up and for spending to be cut. All this at a time when the economy has been struggling. In the year to the third quarter of 2016, Scotland grew by 0.7%, well below the 2% recorded by the UK as a whole.
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Typical. Ads spouting project fear to the Scots!
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The House of Lords has backed the brexit bill, we will see what Theresa may does now.
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What Theresa May will do is present a petition to the EU for the UK to leave under article 50.
What is crucial to the negociations is the attitude taken by both sides in the inital meetings.
However we can be hopeful of a decent start since both Mr Barnier and Mr Davis are competent individuals and already know each other quite well.
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Nice try pp
but I do think Ads comment about the oil price is NOT merely project fear but is actually fact and will have a huge bearing on Scotlands trading position and financial viability.
Some risk for NS, as no one in EU has so far said they'd be welcome, in fact the Spanish said NO.
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The country voted to leave, but Theresa May had choices: she may yet be devoured by the hard Brexit tiger she has chosen to ride. She could have taken a softer, more pragmatic path of moderation, compromise and neighbourliness, mindful of her country’s other 48%. The letter she sends to sever our 44-year alliance could open in a spirit of generosity by welcoming our existing European Union citizens, but instead she sets out grim-faced, ungiving.
She has handed the helm to the wreckers, on a fanatics’ mission that will allow no swerving to avoid the rocks. Only the hardest of Brexits will do, yet even that’s not enough for these insatiables. Battle-hardened revolutionaries who have fought this eccentric cause for decades can’t lay down their guns, even though they won: the likes of Iain Duncan Smith, John Redwood and Liam Fox can only do politics as guerrilla fighters.
Parliament voted this week, but with no mandate for hard Brexit – out of the single market and customs union, with immigration May’s priority. As the going gets tough, voters might recall how often Brexiteers such as Daniel Hannan said: “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market.” Take a look at the Tory manifesto, committed to the single market.
Poly Toynbee
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While the Leave side celebrated their surprise victory and the Remain side was in shock, international lawyers in London and Brussels must have been frantically weighing the options for implementing their governments’ respective “Brexit” negotiation strategies. The referendum question did not specify what degree of separation was intended.
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The degree of separation is going to leave both sides deeply unhappy. In two years time the whole question is going to represent itself with UKIP and Tory Eurosceptics saying we are still too close and ProEuropeans feeling that we are left with a diluted situation and erosion of rights.
Immigration is never going to fall to tens of thousands unless our financial position and unemployment problems make people believe it is a worse place to go to than they are wanting to flee. That is a pretty low pit for non eu immigrants.
the UK will not expel anyone here legally be they EU migrants or refugees.
Unemployed Brits will still be unemployed because people who are not finding a job in the current environment are either to choosey or simply do not want to work.
Too many promises have been made to large employers regarding free trade and free movement for the UK to not strike a deal. Threats to just walk away are just that...threats.
In a couple of months the disappointment of Brexit will be obvious to all.
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There is, of course, the possibility for a “cosmetic” Brexit, by which the UK formally leaves the European Union but remains a participating country in the single market. It could be an arrangement similar to that of the G77 and China: the UK would get special mention, and those actions in which it participates would be said to be acts by the European Union and the UK.
The disadvantage for the UK would be that this would mean accepting most of the economic rules, with very little say on their development and no curb on inner EU/UK immigration.
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Bank of America Merrill Lynch economists crunched 854,000 data points to warn how important trading with a neighbour is.
In a report distributed on Monday, Ruben Segura-Cayuela and Robert Wood said doubling the distance between countries cuts trade by about two-thirds.
“Because size and distance matter most for trade, the EU will remain important for U.K. trade even after Brexit, and lost trade with the EU will be hard to compensate,” they said.
They estimated that in a worst-case scenario, Brexit could lower British exports to the EU by 25 percent in the long-term. Such a potential shock probably explains why the House of Lords EU External Affairs Sub-Committee reported on Tuesday that May should ease the UK into any post Brexit trading relationship.
Bloomberg
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Mickey, does that mean if we shunt the UK halfway towards Calais our exports will rise by two thirds to the EU?
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