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If it’s accepted that a general election will not be held until 2020 then the outcome of the Brexit negotiations will be crucial for the 48% of the electorate who voted remain.
If no deal is achieved which keeps much of the current UK/EU membership benefits, that substantial portion of the people and possibly a few more, that by then will be disillusioned will come out to vote. I expect they will exact joyful revenge on the Tory Party at the ballot box. They may well hold their noses and vote for anyone but Mrs May and her band of chums whose nauseating glee at what they achieved may come back to haunt them.
It will be the beginning of the remainer’s campaign to return one day to full EU and Euro membership. I have no doubt it will happen one day but unfortunately outside my own lifespan. The outers played the long game to win and equally what’s good for the goose…….
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" joyful revenge", "nauseating glee", Mickeyfinn?????
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That's true Micky
it was a long membership and will be along divorce I reckon.
But the likelihood of returning even a coalition in 2020 is at best, remote. I'm not feeling the love for anyone, including the tories, but at least they appear more business like right now.
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I am sorry but I can't see your view that Brexiters are attempting to create unrest in the U.K.
We on here have been trying to provide some potential positives about Brexit NOT the negatives which a number continue to put forward.
As far as we can see, Brexiters, or at least the current government are attempting to negotiate a deal between the U.K. and the EU that is mutually beneficial to all concerned, in order to continue to trade between us, to permit workers with jobs to move freely around Europe, to find ways to ensure the rights of citizens of all nations living elsewhere are protected, to provide some level of healthcare between nations and to ensure continuity of security and crime fighting.
If in life we feel something is not working as well as it may, surely it is reasonable and sensible to look to make changes.
Sticking with something for the sake of it, is not always sensible.
Mickey
Inthink if your opinion were true about voters intentions to oust TM in 2020 or before, then the current polls may be starting to show some intention, don't you think?
There doesn't appear to be too much disillusionment with the path we have approved.
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Some mixed news about the UK economy today.
The employment statistics are showing that unemployment is around 4.5%. This is downward unemployment trend showing highest numbers in employment for 10 years.
The wages are still squeezed and remain around the same as they were 10 years ago.
the UK are still not showing any signs of being affected by the Brexit vote (yet). But it also seems the Uk are performing better than the EU in these matters (at the moment).
Source. BBC news today.
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Presumably Brian, the fact that wages remain similar to 10 years ago would suggest a larger workforce looking for work and no need for employers to increase wages.
Or am I wrong?
Good news though that unemployment is so much lower than much of the EU, proves why citizens come to the UK to find work.
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Yes Hugh. You would expect wages to increase when there's more competition for labour. Perhaps the zero hour or gig economy is keeping wages down.
Workers in France and Germany are the two countries outstripping U.K. On wages.
The uk needs to resurrect manufacturing and apprenticeship to go forward I reckon.
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Hugh -There doesn't appear to be too much disillusionment with the path we have approved.
My post was referring to the strong possibility no deal is achieved by 2020 which retains the advantages of EU membership. ie: single market access and customs union or a transitional arrangement of both. I expect a backlash against the incumbent party in that event. 48% of the electorate spread wide with remain sympathies in constituencies will make a difference.
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Interesting Brian, understandable in Germany where unemployment is below 4% but it is still 10% in France and 9.5% average in EU.
It is still the Southern states that are the worst off for employment due to the restraints of the Euro.
I think the U.K. can increase manufacturing but generally it will be smaller specialised businesses employing smaller numbers as mass production has moved generally much more to lower cost continents.
Perhaps apprentices rather than University would be a sensible option for our future.
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The uk does still have great brains among its people!
Recent inventions in desalination filters and brain tumour micro surgery robot equipment are leading the world, the gaming industry is massive here (although mainly foreign owned USA etc).
But the entrepreneurs around right now may choose to set up in the EU rather than uk because the market is uncertain and a clear sign of negotiations needs the be progressing.
I completely agree with the technical skills needing to catch up and perhaps overtake university study as a preference for youngsters. We are brilliant at providing high quality components and equipment for the manufacturers, we need to take a long term view of the fact we will be able to negotiate on our own in the near future.
If the uk can be ready to take advantage of the future after Brexit, it can get pretty positive.
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Good post but one thing that does beg the question
What components and equipment?
In the uk there is huge shortage of skilled graduates in all forms of engineering and science. Some great projects like STEM promoting science
Maybe the govt should be funding university courses for these shortages
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I think I said in a prior post Tadd, it amazes me when I'm surveying commercial properties what these smaller companies do and where they send components and specialist equipment.
In my small corner of the world there's a company manufacturing very highly specialised shock absorbers and suspension equipment for sports cars, and for earth moving vehicles. A medium sized company supplying the brake linings for top end vehicles, a grain silo manufacturer selling silos all over the globe, electrical components and electrical motors at a medium sized company. McLaren have just opened up down the road.
Theres lots of them, but the problem is they are very specialied small to medium size and because they have minimised the cost of production and it's not labour intensive anymore. There are no factory whistles and large numbers of people walking in.
In our favour we can do things other people can't yet do, and we need to protect these industries where we can, although the smaller companies are greatly more loyal I think.
The big companies still based in the uk may be surprising too. Unilever, BAT, rio Tinto, glaxo smith Kline, BAE and the rest. Around £300 billion from the top ten UK companies a year alone.
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Yes small companies who rely on foreign import from far east and eastern Europe fir components to build equipment
Also they are reliant on exports
The lack of large industries such as shipbuilding mining steelworks cotton industry are a thing of the past
The large companies you mention are also reliant on overseas and have a high foreign ownership even BAE
There are others such as thales Lockheed Martin rolls Royce airbus nissan ford etc who are all foreign owned and have huge capabilities in other countries and also rely on exports which is why many are concerned
Although I am retired I am still active in a few areas of business and I see a lot of these concerns
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Tadd.
All companies are reliant on export and trade, that's not a new phenomena though eh.
Yes lots of companies based in a country may be owned with foreign takeover or shareholding, some companies tend to build where their larger market shares are, because it controls the means and cost of production and distribution.
But,,,,the bigger your share and expertise is, the better you can negotiate. As you will know, being a businessman.
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Yes but if a company can build in another country without tariffs or restriction then guess what
Most of these companies have the same capabilities across the globe. They set up in a country to access that market if that market becomes uncompetitive etc guess what
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Well ....... unless they are slowed down by layers of silly legislation, silly vetos and at least 20 uncompetitive hanger on shareholders in it for the money, they can go to India, China, or the Uk, or be the best at what they do in the place they are.
And be the best at what they do as well, be smart, be loyal and be free
But that's not a guess, so maybe you can fill in the guesses?
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Brian
Of course
BTW my source the VP at the Italian owned company who have started moving has lost his job
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Not good news, tell him to be positive and let him know he's in a land of future opportunities.
Im sure his skills are transferable and in demand, when one door closes etc.
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