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After Brexit I expect Gibraltar will be forced to concede joint sovereignty to Spain. Argentina will be moving toward control of the Falkland Islands. The EU will ignore a post Brexit Britain. The special relationship with the USA which weakened considerably under Obama is perhaps Britain’s only ‘Trump’ card left..
Why would Gibraltar be forced to have joint sovereignty with Spain after we leave, it didn't have it before so why then, if the people of Gib don't want it then thats it, isn't it?
Argentina has for the most part tried to get the Falklands for years, and failed, spectaculy I would add, why would they get it after we leave the EU, the people of the Falklands don't want it, is this going to be ignored then, after all this is exactly why we voted out...The will of the people.
With Brexit comes an international acknowledgement that Britain has lost all the power and influence in the world it once had. It is reduced to a small over crowded island that is hostile to immigration and which can easily be ignored by other nations without consequence.
At least you got that correct...OVER CROWDED...Hostile to immigration...What a joke, we are hostile to the rubbish coming into this country, NOT the Spanish...NOT the French...NOT the Germans...NOT the Dutch or correct legal Europeans, another joke..EASILY IGNORED BY OTHER NATIONS...Do you have any idea at all how small England is compared to these other BIG nations you speak of.
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Ads and potblack
Nobody says it is going to be easy
Positive change takes time and together it can be done
Slavery and equal rights for women took years to change and it still exists in many places
We can't form a state like how the 4 state union of the uk was formed with violence force and war we need to push our elected members to focus on equality fairness across the eu and not walk away with a selfish greedy prejudicial and arrogant attitude the uk has when things don't go their way
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Baz- Why would Gibraltar be forced to have joint sovereignty with Spain
Forced only in the sense of economic necessity. As Britain’s international standing declines after Brexit, Gibraltar if it's pragmatic will look to where it’s best future interests lie.
Spain's foreign minister José Manuel García-Margallo warned in June that the referendum changed Madrid's views on the future of the peninsula.. Brexit gives Spain an unparalleled opportunity to settle the Gibraltar question peacefully once and for all.
Since Gibraltar voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU it is in their interests to accept joint sovereignty with Spain after Brexit.
Among the benefits Spain has promised Gibraltar would receive from joint-sovereignty would be access to the European single market even after the UK quits the bloc.
Speaking during the Fourth Committee of the UN's General Assembly, he stressed Spain does not want "to impose the terms of the offer", calling it "a starting point for negotiations".
He also insisted Spain "has no intention of interfering in the way of life, customs and traditions of Gibraltarians".
Gibraltar's economy would continue to benefit from free access to the EU internal market, particularly the free movement of workers and capitals, he said.
Under the plans Gibraltarians would be able to remain citizens of the EU thanks to a dual nationality.
Mr Oyarzun said that the removal of border controls would boost the economy of the area and help expand the port and airport of Gibraltar, which would be fully integrated into the EU's aviation network.
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Micky and his mates
What are you actually wanting us to do?.
You said:-
1. Concede free movement of EU workers must continue.
2. Britain to sign up and become an EEA or EFTA member state.
3. Call a general election based on the issues above.
Yes we know all that and the rest, but that was not the question. The question was what do you actually want members of EOS to do. Am I not putting the question clear enough. Can any other members help out here please.
What powers do we have. We could go on strike and refuse to draw our state pension.
Please Micky and all your mates, we are converted, we are with you, we have heard everything you have to say, just tell us all what you want us to do.
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Write to the Hon.David Davis MP the Secretary of State for Brexit. Tell him what you think.
His personal e mail address is dexeu.correspondence@cabinetoffice.gov.uk
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OK Micky and all your mates. We will all do that, will you and all your mates be satisfied and then stop trying to shove down our throats what we already know. BREXIT 4971 Posts, most by you.
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I have written to David Davis. I have asked him to make certain that all the cry babies who lost, but won't accept it, who don't believe in democracy, and keep running our great country down should not be allowed back into the UK ever.....
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What we want is a good question. I want everyone to write to their MP and tell them we do not want Article.50 triggered anytime soon. Why?
All the Remoaners want us to stay as we are...for now. (me included)
All the Daydream B*Leavers say the UK has never been more successful than it has since the referendum was voted on. Everything is great, why rock the boat.
There is one and only one question and that is how to deal with the issue that many people in the UK are troubled by; the level of immigration. All of us should face up to this whether we support Brexit or not. It strikes me that if we can find a solution; reduce immigration; then the majority whether in or out will be happy. We keep the Article.50 issue up our sleeve. We can trigger it whenever we want. Maybe if EU starts falling apart in the next two years.
But how can we stop Freedom of Movement? We can't but we could make the UK less attractive. How? We need to completely revamp our benefits system from State Pension right down to Child Benefits. Painful as it might be, if we reduce each of our benefits down to the lowest level in the EU then there is one less draw. The money saved could be used for apprentice training and the NHS. At least then the promises made by the outies start happening. Nothing stops us from doing this tomorrow.
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Yeah sure.... Around and around again....We are leaving, accept it or go away
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Perrypower1
You hit the nail on the head
Immigration is mot the fault of the eu
High levels of immigration to the uk are down to over generous benefits and work opportunities
Immigration will continue to be a big problem even when the uk leave the eu
Some simply don't get that but they will still be prejudicial fools
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OK perrypower1 and all your mates. We will all do that, will you and all your mates be satisfied and then stop trying to shove down our throats what we already know. BREXIT 4973 Posts, many by you.
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Leaving for what Jarvi? Where are we going to? How will we do it? How will we get there? Who will do it? What is it that you want? How will you achieve it? How will the 'risks' be managed? How much compensation will we provide to Farmers, Fishers, Manufacturers, The Service Industry, ExPats, the NHS, the Education System, Housing, Science, current EU migrants working and living in the UK? What EU laws will we adopt as UK Laws (don't say none as we will need laws and regulations.) What about Trade, or is that not important to you?
Please give me an indication as to what the administrative costs to achieve 'leaving' will be?
Basically, start offering resolutions Jarvi rather than just being a fly in the ointment. 'Brexit means Brexit' and 'what part of leaving don't you understand' is meaningless. It is the sum of all the crap that Farage says, but as he has a part time job now as a VJ his thoughts are unimportant and offer nothing to the UK.
We cannot disinvent knowledge, or globalisation, or trade with other countries. Stop living in the past!
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Potblack, unfortunately the time to be critical about Brexit is much greater now than ever before. If you are troubled by hearing the possible problems and other points of view about Brexit why do you insist on being on a Brexit forum and commenting? What is it you are afraid of? Is it that what Remoaners are offering as resolutions will not acheive your personal expectations? Do you want to share those expectations with the rest of us?
It strike me that you want to muzzle everyone who has a view that is different than yours...why is that?
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It strike me that you want to muzzle everyone who has a view that is different than yours...why is that?
Not true, but after 4975 posts listening to you is like listening to a stuck cuckoo clock.
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For those disillusioned by Brexit and feeling vulnerable living in Spain will you feel better protected by becoming Spanish citizens, in which case I think you need to have lived there for 10 years and speak the language, is this correct? Are many UK citizens who have migrated to Spain to live ( and/ or retire) following this route now?
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I think that all the people who want to stay in have finally seen the bubble burst and can't handle it, pretty much like lemmings going over the cliff, well if its good enough for a hundred thousand, its good enough for me, so they follow what they think is right and correct and anyone else has no comment, and knows nothing, these people are assuming that those who disagree are racist, homophobic, and anything else you care to shout insults at, if they can't see the other points of view then they are no better then the lemmings.
We do have to work together but that cannot happen if one side believes that the other is morally wrong, we need you, the remainers, to realise your bubble has finally burst, that their might also be something else outside of your views, after you know no more then anyone else as to what will happen, so why do you keep on trying to prove the point that doomsday is coming.
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Javi - I have written to David Davis. I have asked him to make certain that all the cry babies who lost, but won't accept it, who don't believe in democracy, and keep running our great country down should not be allowed back into the UK ever.....
That should guarantee an immediate deletion without reply. The aggressive prejudice of Brexiteers is very ugly. You consistently fail to come up with any intelligent arguments supporting your cause.
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Nobody says it is going to be easy
Downright impossible in any reasonable time scale. 44 years is already far too long.
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