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Mickeyfinn,
Re migration controls....
The EU bureaucrats had ample time to respond to the call for more realistic immigration controls during these past few years and even now refuse to consider any compromise, so the reality is far different than you suggest. How many times was the observation made, "it doesn't have to be like this".
Arrogant ideological intransigence for fear of contagion needs to be recognised....
If there had been a willingness for good ( and fair) intellectual analysis of the wider differentials across member states to include country debt, unemployment ratios, benefit differentials, and real impacts in terms of pull factors and existing infrastructure had been done effectively, without predetermined refusals and inferences that such considerations were "selfish" or other such alienating responses, then much of this division and impact on cohesion could have been avoided.
As it is, many have concluded, (and still sadly bear witness to a continuing rhetoric and determination to scapegoat the UK in this process) that enough is enough.
The solution lies in getting rid of those who have little intent to find mutually beneficial solutions from with the EU bureaucracy, those ideologs who do little favour to EU citizens caught up in this impasse.
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i don’t think many exiters want to derail the process of leaving they simply want to know on what terms and what the plan is, what the impact will be etc etc
then the dbeate as to derailment or full support of brexit can truly begin
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The complementarity between the Agenda and both the mid-term review of the Lisbon strategy and the sustainable development strategy makes it necessary to ensure close dovetailing with other Community policies on the internal market, industry, competition and trade. This approach implies taking full account of social and employment dimensions in other Community policies, and vice versa. The integrated Impact Assessment tool developed by the Commission provides a valuable methodological contribution. Accordingly, the Agenda draws its inspiration from the Constitutional Treaty, which proclaims the importance of an integrated approach.
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Hugh. How are doing in Jaywick sunshine? It says your being evacuated?
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Potblack,
Please can you explain your last posting in language that can be understood by the majority of readers... Its hard to comprehend I'm afraid. Thanks.
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It made no sense to me neither
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The constitutional status of the referendum – and therefore of the leave majority – is in dispute. Since the UK is a parliamentary democracy, referendums can only be advisory. It is up to parliament to decide whether or not to accept the advice. But one thing is clear: the union state is not a unitary state, still less an English state. It would be outrageous to force Scotland and Northern Ireland to leave the EU in defiance of the wishes of their peoples. What is sauce for the English and Welsh leavers is also sauce for the Scottish and Northern Irish remainers.
Guardian 13 January.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/13/britain-doesnt-really-exist-exit--eu
The full article is an interesting read. It suggests Britain is actually not a nation state in the true sense of that meaning.
If Northern Island does not have a government by the end of March article 50 is likely to be postponed. Legally unless the ruling to overturned on appeal the government of Northern Island will have to formally approve the Brexit plan. No government; no legal approval.
Northern Island voted to remain in the EU.
It is also certain after Brexit the Scottish government will hold another independence referendum vote and have a strong chance of winning it this time around.
The consequences of Brexit will be far reaching for the future of the UK. I don’t expect Britain to remain a United Kingdom for very much longer unless serious compromises are made in the negotiations.
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If Britain doesn't exist as a nation, how come we managed to join the EEU/EU, or any other organisation?
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So the referendum was nothing more than advice that the majority of the people are not happy ,the government of the day has got to make changes ,any government in a Democratic society that Doe's not follow the will of the of the people that put them in charge will be voted out in the next general election ,use your imagination it won't take you to long to work out what would happen in the UK if any government in charge did not accept a general election result and said we are staying in power and we don't accept the majority results.
This message was last edited by windtalker on 13/01/2017.
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In thinking of the guardians comments 13 January.
The article brings out a discussion which has already been taking place. We are part of the UK and the referendum was taken by the U.K. There are people voting against leaving in England and Wales and the final position is that these people will be forced to leave also, although they will rightly negotiate their best leave position.
In the Scottish and Ireland communities their option is to ask the EU if they can remain, and I understand this answer is already no. Second option is to convince the rest of the UK they are not constitutional and force the overturn of the referendum vote.
So the position is stay in the UK and leave the EU or leave the U.K. And leave the EU. These seem to be the options as I can see it. If the referendum was not constitutional then that should be a discussion to have before the vote, not after?
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The remainers are now clutching at straws, will they still be claiming the referendum to be unfair/illegal etc when the UK is independent of the EU? And the Scotts and Northern Irish should consider their UK state pension rights in the unlikely event of the EU welcoming them as sovereign nations, however I believe that the Irish Republc would welcome Ulster in the even more unlikely event of a referendum winning the right to secede from the Union.
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Tenerife- If Britain doesn't exist as a nation, how come we managed to join the EEU/EU, or any other organisation?
That is actually a good question which strikes at the heart of the matter and the resentment among the Conservative Party that's been festering for generations and directly led to the referendum vote.
Edward Heath imposed a three line whip in parliament to force through Britain’s EU membership. The devolved power of Britain’s other member states did not exist then. Very little political consultation took place.
That is one reason why Brexit must be approved by all the parliaments of the UK for its legitimacy to be enduring, constitutional and sound. Anything less will eventually fail as we have seen.
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https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/235
"On wage distribution many studies have found significant effects on low earners. The MAC ( Migration Advisory Committee) and the House of Lords study, together with a study commissioned by the Department of Communities and Local Government all found significant effects of immigration on low earning UK-born workers. The Bank of England looked at the impact of immigration on wages by sector and found that immigration had reduced wages semi/unskilled services sector."
This morning the following was identified….
Jonathan Cribb, senior research economist at the IFS and author of the report, said: "To understand the drivers of inequality in the UK it is vital to understand the growing association between low hourly wages and low hours of work among men."
Less secure
There are two schools of thought about what might be happening. It may be that increasing numbers of men want to work part-time, although this seems unlikely.
The second theory is based on the sectors where these low-paid jobs are found.
Six in ten of them are in the retail, wholesale or hospitality sectors.
That might suggest men who previously worked in low-paid but secure, full-time jobs in sectors such as manufacturing have lost that type of employment.
Instead they have been forced into the traditionally poorly paid and less secure services sector of the economy.
Why therefore has the link not been established between swift large scale migration (which has significantly increased the supply of labour into these pay sectors) together with the proliferation of zero hours contracts, which in effect has resulted in a downward impact on wages, hours of working, and workers rights for semi / unskilled UK nationals?
Surely as the recent results demonstrate it was inevitable that these studies would subsequently reflect a significant upturn in part-time working within these pay sectors, would it not?
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Of course the Brexit vote was flawed
In relaoty as awas discussed early in teh thread the UK is made up of 4 separate nations each with its own"parlaiment" so the first vote maybe should have been 1 per nation (i.e. 4 votes).
The vote had far too much bias on the English vote which effectively negated the other 3 nations votes and wishes
Based on the 4 nations votes we would have had a 2-2 draw so further consultation by the 4 member nations would have been needed
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Have you informed Mrs TM? Does she know this fact?
Where a modification proposed by the European Parliament does not have the effect of increasing the total amount of expenditure of an institution, owing in particulare to the fact that the increase in expenditure which it would involve would be expressly compensated by one or more proposed modifications correspondingly reducing expenditure, the Council may, acting by a qualified majority, reject the proposed modification. In the absence of a decision to reject it, the proposed modification shall stand as accepted.
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She was not in office at the time I did tell DC though but like most polticians he did not answer
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Yes ads, the same document says...
- The impact of immigration into the UK on GDP per head – a key measure of prosperity - is essentially negligible.
- There is tentative evidence to show that immigration of non-EU workers into the UK has a negative effect on the employment of UK-born workers
What is the point you are making in reference to the EU?
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Mr Jenkin, a director of the Vote Leave campaign and chairman of the influential Commons Public Administration Committee said it was "far easier to leave the EU because you don't have to change anything to leave the EU - you just carry all the EU law into our own law and carry on as before".
Really, what is the point of leaving then? What a silly, silly man.
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It's getting more like the 'Christmas Radio Times' on here...... FULL OF REPEATS.
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