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"A bit like booking a wedding, not turning up and not paying the costs and then running off with a bridesmade."
Nothing at all like booking a wedding. More like a divorce. And as you, Micky, are certain we will be poorer for it, then, by your logic, they should be paying us alimony.
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Treaty obligations are like a marriage, you commit to it's costs and obligations as well as the advantages. If the marriage then breaks down you honour a fair financial settlement that is acceptable to both parties.
Anything less is morally shameful and I don't believe Theresa May or the UK is anything that. The UK will have to pay. It will be painful but choices often are.
This message was last edited by Mickyfinn on 04/03/2017.
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The UK has decided to leave the EU accept this and await the start of the negotaiations
The remaining 27 states have far more to do than worry about what the UK wants
If the UK wants to continue free trade then there will be a cost to the UK and teh EU wil play just ad hard as teh UK
It is the UK who are asking to leave
The UK has nothing unique to offer the EU that other member states could not replace
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Tadd, i agree with your sentiment apart from where you say, "The remaining 27 states have far more to do than worry about what the UK wants" Well, no. They have lots to worry about the UK leaving the EU, the first thing is that without the UK's financial input they will have increased costs to the member states, as we have placed at the very least a financial burden on them. There is also, obviously border controls, which no doubt will change , as the domestic migration, and refugee burden are already placing a strain on Free Movement. There is also Imports and Exports. If they raise a tariff on what we export, what might we do on what we Import from the EU? I think all these things, and plenty more will end up having a wider influence than just within our borders, leaving them with plenty to worry about even now. Our exit will change the goalposts considerably, and not just for us.
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robert8696
Yes they will worry about their own financial issues rather than the UK.
SOem are syaing teh UK wil ahve abigger finacail burden but again not the problem of teh 27 member states
Border contorls etc is anther problemm but again more important than the UK to teh member states they may or may not come up with a solution but one thing teh UK wil have no input to this and any wishes or views of teh UK wil simoly be ignored
Anything the member states currently buys from the Uk can be sourced from other member states as I said the UK have nothing unique to offer
Why would they care if the UK have to pay more to buy from all 27 member states - what options do the UK have as whoever the UK buys from will be subject to tariffs
I think the UK exit offers huge opportunites for many EU member states as they promote and develop their own products over existing UK products, offer UK businesses incentives to leave the UK and move into the EU and the benfits it offers
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" If the UK wants to continue free trade then there will be a cost to the UK and teh EU wil play just ad hard as teh UK
It is the UK who are asking to leave
The UK has nothing unique to offer the EU that other member states could not replace "
Tadd
Robert is right, but you do not seem to understand. So taking your statement above:
Cost to the UK
Why should there be a cost to the UK? As the trade balance is highly tilted (they export far more to us than we they) then they need free trade even more than we do.
Replacement
They would have a great difficulty replacing the UK market if they were to play hardball with us.
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Tteedd
What exactly do the uk export that cannot be bought elsewhere in the eu or even in the world market
Yes they sell to the uk and if tariffs are introduced they will either increase their prices as costs increase or ensure tariffs are paid by the importer the uk via the relevant incoterm
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"Anything less is morally shameful"
"The UK will have to pay"
Christ, Micky
What are you blathering about. If we leave we leave. The only morally shameful thing is the way the EU has been run all these years.
If I choose to leave my Golf club they may choose not to re-imburse me my fees for the rest of this year, if they play hardball. But there is no moral imperitive on me to pay for the loss of profit they may have next year, because of my departure this year.
It would however be morally shameful if the government agreed to pay a large sum of the taxpayers money that could be better spent on the NHS or paying down the deficit.
This message was last edited by tteedd on 04/03/2017.
This message was last edited by tteedd on 04/03/2017.
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Tadd
Your reasoning is inside out.
This sentence was going to be something you might have considered rude so I have deleted it and started again.
They export more to us than we to them.
So
If they move from the tax free regime we have now they loose far more trade than we do. More lost exports, more lost income and more German, French and Italien workers possibly out of a job.
A trade deal is a greater neccessity for them than us.
Why do you expect us to pay for something that is of greater value to them than us?
This message was last edited by tteedd on 04/03/2017.
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Tteedd
Yes the eu member states sell more to the uk than they but
Why would a business reduce its margins when selling to the uk because of tariffs
These tariffs will be passed onto the uk to pay as currently happens with many countries that sell to the uk
The uk will then have a choice to buy from eu with tariffs or from row countries with tariffs either way uk consumer pays
Yes some eu suppliers may lose a market but if that market is not profitable they will stop
More markets in eu will emerge as many uk industries move to eu many of whom are already owned by patent companies based in eu
I know 2 large companies in uk whose parent companies are French and Italian are currently restructuring to allow easy transfer if none uk contracts to their eu facilities in the event athe uk leave the single market
Even Nissan announced that they will review their position which probably means they are doing that now
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Tadd your SPELLING and GENERAL use of the ENGLISH language is ATROCIOUS and TRULY WOEFUL your posts are DOUBLE DUTCH can you FOCUS please or get YOUR NEPHEW to check them over FIRST
Love Hugh xx
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'This sentence was going to be something you might have considered rude so I have deleted it and started again.'
Tadd
Someone does not know you are a sensitive soul.
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Hugh can spell but his keyboard seems to JUMP INTo captals OFTEN!
MAYbe its tHE WIIIIND rocking his cARAVan......
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Your OBVIOUSLY not a MILITARY man ROBERT
LOL
Hugh xx
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tteedd - trying to wind me up will have no effect , I’m immune to trolling on web forums.
Comparing your golf club analogy with a nation’s membership of the EU is just plain silly. The EU is a political economic and social project probably one of the greatest movements for peaceful coexistence between nations ever devised by mankind. You don’t want your country to be part of it that’s fine but the majority of European peoples do.
Reducing it to that of a golf club membership indicates a certain limited narrowness of vision probably influenced by a home counties view of the world.
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Oi MICKY Hertfordshire is a BEAUTIFUL county you are STOOPING low NOW
I have LOST all respect for you I WILL NOT BE reading your POSTS as a RESULT
Love HUGH XX
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Micky
Why would I want to wind you up? Did you not want honest responses? Surely to start a thread like this you are asking to hear other points of view and yours to be questioned.
Comments like:
"Anything less is morally shameful"
"The UK will have to pay"
are more likely to wind anyone up (especially a UK taxpayer).
And now you come up with:
The EU is a political economic and social project probably one of the greatest movements for peaceful coexistence between nations ever devised by mankind.
If I had not been looking at the thread for a long time I would have thought that was a joke.
Nah mate. You are the wind-up merchant.
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BTW
I'm sorry I compared the EU with Golf.
Golf is much more worthwhile.
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Hughjardon likes to shout a lot clearly
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One of the reasons I left the UK forty years ago was I felt British cultural life was very inward looking and limited in its scope, particularly in higher education.
That’s not a criticism of Britain it’s simply a personal view of what horizons I sought for myself. I have not been disappointed in Europe. I have been very fortunate and enjoyed the best that Europe can offer in my lifetime. I have witnessed the development of the EU first hand and embraced it’s core values.
There is a different outlook in Europe to that of Britain. It’s more encompassing, tolerant and compassionate toward others, less individualistic. People seem to have a greater understanding for the frailties of human beings. Although nationalism and populism does exist, especially in France, it’s tempered by the majority in the knowledge the EU is a project worth having, worth striving for, worth improving.
Europeans take the long view of politics possibly because they know what it’s like to be occupied by the forces of tyranny.
The British have always been semidetached from the European project. The referendum result was entirely predictable. Calling it simply to defeat the rise of a populist party was a failure of statesmanship.
European leaders are much too savvy to fall for that and play the populist game for them. I’m not worried by the coming elections. The European political systems should ensure the extremists will never gain power despite some media bias.
Now I feel the British should just get on with it and leave so we Europeans can get on with our project and ensure its continuing success for many future generations.
I note the increase in Sinn Fein vote share in Northern Island elections may well be attributed to a wish by the people of Northern Ireland to remain in the EU. England is looking increasingly isolated in its desire to leave the EU.
It is entirely possible the Union Britain has had for so long and which has been part of its strength will break apart because of a small minority of voters desire to leave the EU.
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