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jarvi, how is Brexit, leaving the EU, going to result in scrapping the House of Lords? I do not see any direct connection between the two. If anything it will reinforce the position of the House of Lords, as without it the only controlling body is the House of Parliament, with no other body to reign in their crazy policies and decisions.
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Wait and see what happens..
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Jarvi, if we wait to see what happens, and it is the worst scenario, what then? you seem to have lots of answers till your last thread answer. "Wait and see what happens" is a rather inconclusive statement. Maybe it is time to remove the rose coloured glasses and see the situation as it really is.
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In answer to your question robert, yes Brexit and leaving the EU should have nothing to do with scrapping the house of lords, however if the house of lords try to stop or delay Brexit they may find that their futures are limited. Tony "line my own pockets" Blair says that people didn't know what they were voting for. Sorry to dissapoint him but we did. We voted to leave the EU completely. If the EU wish to trade with us that is what will be negociated with them.
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Jarvi, I have no political party alliegance in the UK, and personally i feel that practically we should have remained, but my heart is with leave. All the conjecture regarding leaving by the stay voters wishing to remain should stop, we as a majority(though only small) voted to leave the EU, so as the majority wishes, we should withdraw, and i would expect politicians of all parties to honour the populaces majority and endeavour to get the best possible outcome for all UK residents as a result. I feel in the short term we may have a difficult time, but as things stabilise we may just be in a better position than we were in the EU. Fingers crossed!
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Robert,
You are probably the first person on here as far as I aware who voted remain but respects the wishes of the majority. I take my hat off to you. I voted leave but had the vote not gone the way I wanted I would have respected the wishes of the majority. Some people on here are so upset that they have been forecasting armegeddon, they seem to want Brexit to fail and the country to be ruined just so that they can say "I told you so", and hope that the UK will have to go back to the EU begging to be let back in. They want to stay in the single market and the customs union, but as far as I am concerned that is staying in the EU, we voted to leave. I hope our government gets it right in the negotiations and so far they seem to be doing things in my opinion the right way. As you say there are difficults times ahead, and I am sure there will be many ups and downs, (these things happen whether in or out of the EU) but some countries are stuck with the EU and no choices, we had a choice and took it.
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Jarvi, i agree totally with you, i only voted to stay as having worked as a truck driver taking goods to the continent, and relevant experiences made me vote stay. Morally and in my heart i think we should leave, but as it will no doubt cause terrible problems for us, and me fast approaching retirement, is the reason i voted to stay. As an old saying goes, "if things dont change , they stay the same!" and i dont fancy such upheaval in my twilight years!
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A detailed article that reviews the failure of the euro makes interesting reading and concludes, " By creating a single currency without the institutions to sustain it, the E.U. wound up with low growth, high unemployment, and popular disaffection."
It appears that given the subsequent high levels of unemployment from the euro failures, together with swift expansion of Eastern member states (with wide differentials acting as pull factors), left the U.K. vulnerable from forced emigration on the one hand ( southern member states) and higher aspirations on the other ( eastern member states) , and with little forward planning and without adequate factoring mechanisms in place to protect it was inevitable that disaffection with the EU would grow .... hence Brexit.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/24/the-failure-of-the-euro
" It’s a dangerous moment for Europe. Stiglitz observes that if the countries that committed to the single currency in 1992 had known what they know now, and if people had had the chance to vote on the proposal, “it is hard to see how they could have supported it.” That’s a hell of an indictment. It begs the question "should you allow the euro to become an end in itself, to be defended ahead of the prosperity and well-being of Europe’s citizens."?
P.S. Just came across this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39028506 which according to German finance minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, he noted the institutions in charge of Greece's bailout have reached a "common position" on how to proceed. Sounds a little more hopeful perhaps, and another indication of a more realistic approach, moving away from the intransigent position that so alienates and divides. Let's hope this change in approach is replicated and assists in reaching mutually acceptable outcomes from the upcoming Brexit negotiations.
This message was last edited by ads on 20/02/2017.
This message was last edited by ads on 20/02/2017.
This message was last edited by ads on 20/02/2017.
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well said Ads, your observation of the single currency and its pitfalls, is i seem to remember, exactly why the UK kept the pound. By doing so the UK did not fully get our hands tied to a common European currency. and its uncertainty. I seem to remember the Government stating that once the principal of the single currency was stabilised and proven, the UK would join it. This has NEVER happened
I also feel the ideal of a common policy among member countries a seemingly good idea, which in practice seems also never to have proven itself. Another failure as i see it of the EU is it is pushing for each country to accept that they are "Good Europeans" with no concern to a persons true Nationality, which to me being from the United Kingdom by far comes in front of being a "good European" (i feel citizens of other member countries feel the same way). I think the EU is attempting a takeover of Europe based on trade links, there is only one other attempt at this i remember in recent years, and that was by force (not trade) by a gentleman named Hitler!
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On a very serious note,
What exactly are French wine growers going to do with all that excess Beaujolais Noveau that the UK currently buys, when the EU tells them to add a 10% tariff?
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Robert
You are quite correct, most citizens in European nations are their own Nationality first and Europeans second.
Many Spanish still regard the ex pat English as Invaders and only certainly parts of France have realised that an influx of Brits buying and renovating their older properties is actually a good thing for their economy.
The majority talk of Local Law NOT European Law and those that confess to being Europeans are those that generally receive EU grants and handouts, not because they've opened their arms to integration.
Generally people can integrate, once they speak the language, contribute to their local society and understand and respect the culture and laws of the country they have moved to.
Humans are generally friendly to all as long as things are going well.
Just wait until they are threatened by jobs or lower wages and see who gets the blame then?
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H i Guys dont know if you caught my INTERVIEW on DISPATCHES on how I have lived since the VOTE on only UK produced goods Ive done a FACT SHEET if anyone wants it
Love Hugh xxx
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Done the Spain thing Happier in the UK
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Intestine debate from the house of Lords on red button
Very polite with each other but so many undertones and a ckear message how concerned they are about the divisivions in the uk and a lot of concern that the people will have no say on the final deal whatever it is good bad or indifferent
A couple of great analogies with house purchases
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Ah but was it an upper intestine debate or a lower intestine debate Tadd!
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Best wishes, Brian
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Brian
Yes this bloody predictive text gets me every time
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Ha, me too, couldnt resist that one though mate.
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Predictive text? A friend of mine signed off a text with "okey-dokey" and it came out the other end as Hung like a donkey!!!!
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Ha ha
the computer had a 'did you mean' help thing in word
In windows 7 on word when I put my name in as Brian Dodd it used to come back as 'did you mean brain dead'
i have to say I did agree sometimes.
Ok ok so it's nothing to do with brexit. Sorry to the purists.
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