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Theft of Democracy...
That says it all.
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No. It just says Theft of Democracy...
it doesn't make sense and it doesn't mean anything. Typical PP
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Tim Farron has had it pointed out to him so many times that he is not a democrat if he wishes to deny the will of the people that he is trying to turn the meaning of democracy on its arse.
It just makes him (and anyone repeating it) look foolish.
The last Lib Dem leader almost looks like a statesman compared with this infantile character.
This message was last edited by tteedd on 18/01/2017.
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I agree this thread has probably run its course of usefulness. I only started it to try and understand British attitudes toward the EU before the referendum. I'm not sure if I succeeded in that. Some contributors have offered some useful points. Others seem to be the voice of a prejudicial mob.
Now we have the full Brexit intent of the British government I have great doubt they will succeed. The list reads like continued membership without the necessary restrictions drawbacks and costs. I cannot see the Commission agreeing to it, let alone 27 other parliaments.
A free trade deal is policed by WTO arbitration. The single market by the ECJ. All the advantages without the obligations of free movement. I agree it’s an ambitious plan but one that is doomed to be diminished by the reality of political negotiations.
The EU cannot be seen to be giving the UK effective EU membership with another name without the political substance that binds the process together.
The most likely outcome in my view is no deal whatsoever and Britain going it alone to the WTO.
Still as I have said if parliament approves the plan I have no problem with it. The future economic progress of Britain will be defined in future by the USA and China instead of Europe. If you all believe that’s an improvement so be it.
“UK’s plan seems a bit ambitious. Trade as free as possible, full control on immigration... where is the give for all the take?”
Tomáš Prouza Czech Minister for Europe
This message was last edited by Mickyfinn on 18/01/2017.
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Sadly not an inprovement Micky but you are right; rather than being a big shout in the EU we are going to have our strings pulled by the USA and China...should be an interesting dance.
We can't afford the NHS now so what is it going to be like when we have to cut Corporation Tax to 12% to remain competitive. Articles now pouring out saying that Government will have to reduce Pensions and raise personal taxes to compensate.
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That's it pp, carry on reading every doom and gloom article the media wishes to publish.
What else do you expect the media have to write about something and punters like yourself only want to read bad news,
It Sells
You must be a bundle of fun at a dinner party. 😉
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Professional mourner at funerals and wakes more like.
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Fundamentally the EU has always been a political organisation first and economic considerations are secondary. The EU will always put those political considerations first when negotiating with Britain. There has to be a transparent price which Britain must pay to leave the block. I believe that price will be no free trade deals.
Britain sadly but inevitably will become a lightly regulated tax haven with all that implies, dependent on the US and China for trade favours. Relations with Europe will deteriorate in the future and that does not bode well for security and military cooperation.
Brexit will cost the British and the Europeans greatly. It did not need to happen.
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Micky
I refer you to your previous post:
I agree this thread has probably run its course of usefulness
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Then why do you keep coming back and posting Al?
Baz, Hugh, you are most welcome to keep living in your fairytale land but as things start to crystallise the reality of Brexit will start to bite. Not reading it does not mean it has stopped happening. Everything up to this point since the referendum has just been the pre show entertainment.
This message was last edited by perrypower1 on 18/01/2017.
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Twas Micky's comment "I agree this thread has probably run its course of usefulness", not mine.
I will continue to dip in and out as I feel like doing just to keep you 2 clowns in check, and also to check that you are still there and have not slit your wrists yet.
Doom, Doom and more Doom......
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Fundamentally the EU has always been a political organisation first and economic considerations are secondary. The EU will always put those political considerations first when negotiating with Britain. There has to be a transparent price which Britain must pay to leave the block. I believe that price will be no free trade deals.
Britain sadly but inevitably will become a lightly regulated tax haven with all that implies, dependent on the US and China for trade favours. Relations with Europe will deteriorate in the future and that does not bode well for security and military cooperation.
Brexit will cost the British and the Europeans greatly. It did not need to happen.
Mickey, probably first sensible thing you have said, the EU is a political organisation.
It was supposed to be a trading block to create jobs throughout and enhance European economies but offer freedom of movement of labour.
It has done a great deal to further trade and regulation but its leaders, just like politicians of many countries are just not listening to the electors anymore.
It currently does nothing for the working man, just big businesses who are allowed to decide whose corporation tax they may or may not pay this month.
Any political organisation can seem idyllic, like Communism, but hey the worlds biggestvCommunist state has recently turned to Capitalism, because, guess what, they realised Communism does not work in practice, neither does the current political EU model.
When they see reason and start to change, thecBrits will no doubt continue to contribute its military contribution, its intelligence organisations and its financial acumen, where it has led the world for centuries
We are not leaving Europe, just a failing EU.
But good luck with your views that the EU is going from strength to strength, tell that to the banks shareholders in Spain and Italy and Greece.
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This message was last edited by hugh_man on 18/01/2017.
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Bigal -I will continue to dip in and out as I feel like doing just to keep you 2 clowns in check, and also to check that you are still there and have not slit your wrists yet.
In BigAl's world anyone with an opposing view is regarded as a 'clown'. The logic of reason is never allowed any consideration. Oppositon to contary views the enemy and needs to be destroyed.
I have news for you. Democracy is about free expression and although I think this thread has run it's course of useful comments I will continue to post my opinions as I wish.
For you information Al there is a button at the top of the web site page which you can turn off notifications of any new posts.
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Perhaps it's time to leave the self appointed forum heiracy to their own devices, they remind me of a moon landing denier who I know, he's been harking on about the 'big scam' since 1969, and shows no signs of tiring. As soon as Article 50 has been triggered they will have to find another song sheet to sing from, or am I just being overly optimistic?
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Brexit will cost the British and the Europeans greatly. It did not need to happen.
Well, Micky you got that bit correct but only because that bit is true, the rest you and everyone else come up with either hasn't happened, wont happen, don't know if it will happen.
Yes it did not need to happen, but seeing as we have never had any leader who would stand up and show some back bone to the EU nut cases to get many things changed, and a better outcome, that were blatantly wrong for the UK, this is the result, now the EU mob have seen what can happen and if they keep putting obstacles in the way, shows how scared they are of us leaving.
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Priority given to mutually beneficial negotiations anyone, or is that now considered beyond the remit of possibility given the Bureaucrats currently leading the EU?
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Ok guys:
you got the plan.
you got the vote in the 2 houses.
Sterling on it's way up.
Footsie record highs.
Unemployment down.
House prices not falling.
Now we can becone citizens of the WORLD not just the EU.
So why still the MOANING?
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As I'm not the aficionado on EU directives perhaps the real deals could answer the following, these products were withdrawn from sale on EU directives, why?
TCP antiseptic (now back on sale)
DerrisDust Wasp Nest Killer ( permanently banned)
White halogen light bulbs (permanently banned)
Any more 'big brother' directives guys?
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The EU must brace itself for a 'shock' when it comes to filling the hole in its budget left by Britain's €10billion (£8.5bn) a year contributions, a Brussels think-tank has warned.
The remaining 27 member states will have to decide whether to increase their share of budget contributions, cut spending or a combination of the two, the report said.
But the research by the Jacques Delors Institute, a pro-federal Europe think-tank, warned there is 'no easy way to fill the "Brexit gap" of around €10billion per year'.
However Brussels decides to fill the hole left by Britain's departure, taxpayers across the continent will be forced to foot the bill.
Good grief, have they now realised we, the UK does actually exist, and for all these past years we have been putting money into the kitty....If I didn't know better you could be forgiven for thinking they only wanted us for our money.
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Yes Baz.
Being part of this thread for the last 8months or so it's been a major discussion about if U.K. Is going to hell in a handcart or if it's undemocrstic or if it's going to manage to scrape by etc.
The EU does have to consider losing a member state of great significance and a huge contributor (2nd or 3rd largest?). If we have been concentrating on our own perceived misfortunes, guess what, there will be another game in town to play and it will involve the EU becoming involved and not just in denial and arrogant.
Mr Junkers has casually said that he wants the best deal for everyone (today). That seems different from a lot of contributors on here saying why should they care at all and 'we're doomed'. .
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