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Article 50 isn’t actually a trade deal
Leaving the EU involves three things: an administrative divorce, the untangling of British and EU law, and (probably) a new trade deal. But only the first aspect is dealt with in article 50. The rest is up to Europe’s discretion. If they want to just talk admin, we can’t do much about it.
Todays article from BBC should really be an eye opener for people on here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-38372132
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hugh_man
You keep asking the same questions, the WTO was set up to ensure the ability to trade between most countries without undue regulations or unfair tariffs.
As Ads has suggested, there is no need to renogiate trade deals, will be allowed to trade on their terms and then negotiate with whomever we wish.
Why is everyone so gloomy about WTO?
Not asking any questions about WTO, the rules are very clear and the UK trades with non EU countries who are members of tehe WTO and tarriifs on imports and exports are paid
The UK is a member of WTO and the UK have set export and import tariffs so no need to do this really. Yes they are in line with EU but why change to favour for the UK????
Are you suggesting the UK cut its rates - really The WTO also insist on FAIR trading NOT favours
The only thing the UK may have to do is start daung with the EU under WTO rules
The WTO currnelty works for all members but is NOT tariff free as some people seem to think
Unless Uk stay in the single market tariifs wil be inrotduced FACT and they will proobaly be based on current WTO tariffs.
Who pays these could well be the UK depedning upon what incorems the buyers and sellers (Not WTO) agree on
As i said previoulsy the WTO is a buzz word by the brexiters but it it is NOT The holy grail of teh UK's future impport export trades as some think it is
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WTO...bah, humbug
Quick starter for 10points for all those Brexit genuises who voted 'leave' - what is the tariff on our lamb exports, if we cannot secure an intra-EU deal?
Is it:
(a) 2%
(b) 5%
(c) 40%
Answer: if you didn't already know it was 40% (and you didn't, did you?) then why did you think you knew enough to express a sensible opinion on what was best for UK farming?
Bright future my ar...
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How would I know that, you could say 90% and I would say wow, is it
How much lamb do we export exactly (and if you don't know then why express any opinion on the tariff for it).
By the way, if the tariffs on lamb are 40% I guess we would become one nation sheep farmers and embargo lamb imports to protect our farmers, and use some of the saving in subsidy to fill any gaps.
And that, is another reason the EU is not a good organisation to support ?
This message was last edited by briando55 on 21/12/2016.
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PP
Take a chill pill or you will not survive Christmas, never mind BREXIT.
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embargo lamb imports to protect our farmers, and use some of the saving in subsidy to fill any gaps.
so we now have gone down the route of embargos took a while - any idea what the repercussions would be on UK as other countries start trade embargos against UK in retaliation
Maybe the brexiters really think the UK is so great they do not need to import or export anything and can become 100% self suffcient - or every country will simpoly bow down to everything the UK wanst
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WTO...bah, humbug
Quick starter for 10points for all those Brexit genuises who voted 'leave' - what is the tariff on our lamb exports, if we cannot secure an intra-EU deal?
Is it:
(a) 2%
(b) 5%
(c) 40%
Answer: if you didn't already know it was 40% (and you didn't, did you?) then why did you think you knew enough to express a sensible opinion on what was best for UK farming?
Bright future my ar...
Have read some of your posts about what you think, but don't know, will happen due to the Brexit vote, more interested in you're farming views, unless you come from, or are a farmer, your best bet is to stop trying to impress everyone with your very limited knowledge on and about the farming world, yes you might get some of your information from the media which is probably the same media that never wanted to leave anyway.
I come from a farming family which go back a good few years, much more then you show expertise on, North Devon (Exmoor) farmers so I do qualify a little more then the media rubbish you're coming out with.
And as a side issue which has very little to do with Brexit if you want to call the rest of us 'Genuises' you might care to revise you're posting concerning you're spelling, I counted 5 spelling mistakes which I suppose really is not to bad for someone who thinks others are fools.
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I've just logged on and for a minute thought that I'd been infected, this guy doesn't need any encouragement, so let's not give him any, you know that it makes sense.
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There's a rule on the internet that, if you pick someone up for their spelling or grammar, you will make at least three errors in your reply.
And as a side issue which has very little to do with Brexit if you want to call the rest of us 'Genuises' you might care to revise you're posting concerning you're spelling, I counted 5 spelling mistakes which I suppose really is not to bad for someone who thinks others are fools.
Geniuses, your (twice), too.
Just thought I'd point that out.
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Quick starter for 10 for all those Brexit farming genuises who voted 'leave' - what is the tariff on our lamb exports, if we cannot secure an intra-EU deal?
Is it:
(a) 2%
(b) 5%
(c) 40%
Answer: if you didn't already know it was 40% (and you didn't, did you?) then why did you think you knew enough to express a sensible opinion on what was best for UK farming?
Bright future my arse...
Above post which I have posted is from the 'Farming Forum,' pp just added, or took out words to suit, to make it look like he knows, complete with someone else's spelling mistakes....Okay pp I owe you an apology I thought they were you're spelling mistakes, seems not, better still is you don't even check other posts, you just re-print what you see without checking the validity of the posts.
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Thanks bobaol, I spell check my postings, 'Genuises' is how pp spelt it, which is as it is standing not his fault, (read my other post)
Maybe my spell checker cant spell?...Thats what you get when you buy Apple stuff perhaps.
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Hi Tadd, you posted the following about my response:
embargo lamb imports to protect our farmers, and use some of the saving in subsidy to fill any gaps.
'so we now have gone down the route of embargos took a while - any idea what the repercussions would be on UK as other countries start trade embargos against UK in retaliation
Maybe the brexiters really think the UK is so great they do not need to import or export anything and can become 100% self suffcient - or every country will simpoly bow down to everything the UK wanst'
Firstly your assuming I am a Brexiter which is wrong.
Secondly your using my observation for your own purposes, when I am simply stating one of the ways to deal with an unfair and stupid policy. Simply put in place an equaly unfair and stupid policy.
Such things also attract unfair and stupid comments, i will give you that. But Im sure that given chance we have suitable civil servants in place who are better at negotiating than thee and me, and our politicians, (and the EU self styled gods of the world).
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Whereas, to facilitate proof of conformity with the essential requirements, it is necessary to have harmonized standards at European level which concern, in particular, the design and composition of sheep and lambs so that products complying with them may be assumed to conform to the essential requirements; whereas these standards harmonized at European level are drawn up by private bodies and must remain non-mandatory texts; whereas for that purpose the European Committee for Standardization (CEN) and the European Committee for Sheep and Lamb technical Standardization (CENELEC) are recognized as the competent bodies for the adoption of harmonized standards in accordance with the general guidelines for cooperation between the Commission and those two bodies signed on 13 November 1984; whereas, for the purposes of this Directive, a harmonized standard is a technical specification (European standard or harmonization document) adopted by one or both of those bodies upon a remit from the Commission in accordance with the provisions of Council Directive 83/189/EEC of 28 March 1983 laying down a procedure for the provision of information in the field of technical standards and regulations as last amended by the Act of Accession of Spain and Portugal, and on the basis of the general guidelines.
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So......How long did it take to fill the bath?
In the poignant words of Sir Cliff Richard.
'But I aint losing sleep...........and I aint counting sheeeeeeep.
Its so funny, how we dont talk anymore'.
I wonder if he was talking about the EU too.
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Any sweeping trade deals the EU wants to sign with other countries will have to be approved by member state governments, a senior EU lawyer has said, in an opinion that could deepen complications over Britain’s post-Brexit future.
Eleanor Sharpston OC, an advocate general at the European court of justice, argues in a ruling released on Wednesday that an EU trade deal with Singapore can only be finalised by the EU and member states, and not by Brussels institutions acting alone.
In practice, this means the deal may have to be ratified by at least 38 national and regional parliaments, including the EU’s 28 national parliaments, at least five regional and linguistic parliaments in Belgium and at least five upper houses, including those of Germany and Italy.
What percentage chance for trade deal with the UK anyone?
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Sorry Micky, can't see your point?
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Maybe some have been overdoing the sherry a little too early?
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Finance or farming?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38386549
what about fishing? It employs 12,000 people and contributes a tiny share of GDP.
In the scheme of things will anyone beside fisherman care if fisheries becomes a casualty in Brexit negotiations? Don't confuse fisheries with the fish food industry or aquaculture. 90% of the fish processed in the UK for food is imported. We export nearly all of the fish we catch to the EU.
If you compare the benefit to the economy of the fish caught by commercial fishermen and sea anglers in England, you find sea angling contributes over 20 times as much.
I am not advocating we turn our back on commercial fishing, instead I am concerned that in our rush to regain control over our fishing ground (via Brexit) we will destroy the fishing industry.
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