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Sorry Micky, but at least we didn't attempt anything humourous. 😉
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It's easy to see why London voted to stay in the EU ,what a mixed up messy place it has turned in to I can remember not to long back when it was the norm to hear English spoken on the streets ,but not now what a mess Arthur daily must be turning in his grave .
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I shouldn't worry Mick, Brexit has got nothing to say for itself hence the diversions. The Civil Service Union says it will be a bumpy ride and wants more resources. "Leave Means Leave" has now written to all 27 other EU Countries begging them for a Trade Deal...so much for Hard Brexit. Going to be more like a soft boiled egg!e
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Ah the Brexit police are here.
Ok will stop being friendly and chatty now, some of the things we were speaking of are more pertinent to Brexit than the lists of stuff we get rammed down our throats though. And personal information? Naw, just information.
I agree windtalker. It's sad to say so and it may appear somewhat racist to some people, but yes your right.
Perrypower, I heard someone coin the phrase brekshit the other day. Maybe a new one!!
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It's easy to see why London voted to stay in the EU ,what a mixed up messy place it has turned in to I can remember not to long back when it was the norm to hear English spoken on the streets ,but not now what a mess Arthur daily must be turning in his grave .
I wonder how many Spanish say similar things around the costas.
Diversity is good
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An article in 2015 spoke of "rampant landlordism dividing a nation into haves and have nots"...I tend to agree to be honest.
Interesting to read "
Denmark prohibits non-EU nationals from buying a home unless they have lived in the country for five years – and, like Finland and Malta, is allowed by the EU to restrict EU citizens from buying second homes in the country. "
https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/2015/nov/21/foreign-buyers-british-property?CMP=share_btn_link
A global super-rich elite, some of them criminal, are snapping up property in Britain, pushing up costs for all of us and throwing the poor to the edge of the cities. Rampant landlordism is dividing Britain into a nation of housing haves and have-nots. Tax breaks for buy-to-lets are still too generous. Tenants are in despair. Many young people will never be able to buy their own home. This, extraordinarily, is not the language of some lefty academic or pressure group, but comes from the heart of the Conservative party in a new report by the Bow Group, the oldest Tory thinktank in the UK, which styles itself as the “intellectual home to conservatives”.
It is a dramatic repudiation of decades of thinking in the Conservative party. These are the people who have, until now, equated rising house prices with wealth and prosperity, and who have profited enormously from buy-to-let and billions in foreign cash. But the Bow Group now recognises that Britain’s housing market is broken – and its prescription for reform may stagger traditional Tory supporters.
It turns conventional thinking on its head by saying the solution to Britain’s housing crisis is not millions of new homes, as so many argue, but cutting demand.
The report’s author, Daniel Valentine, traces the phenomenal increase in house price inflation to the mid-1990s when three factors came together: a sudden surge in population growth, the explosion in buy-to-let lending, and the entry of China and Russia into the global economy, producing a global elite seeking a safe home for their cash.
These factors have corrupted the market, creating an insatiable “investment demand” divorced from the underlying needs of the people of Britain. Foreign buyers now own close to 10% of the UK’s housing stock, he claims, and, unchecked, will gobble up much more, increasingly in Manchester, Edinburgh and other regional cities. With the global financial elite numbering at least 15 million, “increasing housing supply can never bring down prices, no matter how much public land and green belt is turned into flats, because the demand for investment returns is almost infinite.”
The accepted wisdom is that Chinese billionaires buying in Belgravia have no impact on Bromley or Birmingham. Not so, says the report, citing academic studies that prove that top-end buyers pull up prices through the entire market.
The Bow Group’s solution? To follow the example of Denmark, Switzerland and Australia and make it much tougher for foreign buyers to snap up homes as investment vehicles. It is astonishing that we allow, for example, millionaires in Singapore to buy land and property in Britain, but Singapore bars British and other foreign nationals from buying in their country.
Denmark prohibits non-EU nationals from buying a home unless they have lived in the country for five years – and, like Finland and Malta, is allowed by the EU to restrict EU citizens from buying second homes in the country. Australia has dramatically cracked down on foreign buyers who have pumped the property market in Sydney and Melbourne to absurd levels. Only Britain leaves the doors almost completely open.
The Bow Group proposes that foreign residents should be limited to the purchase of a single property, and only in the new-build sector, with penalties if they sell within five years. No new block should be more than 50% foreign-owned, it says. But the report goes further than just hammering foreign nationals – it wants the Bank of England to set a target where house prices average no more than four times income.
To some this report may read as xenophobic, or a manifesto for nimbys. It certainly is London-centric. But its conclusions share a lot of the philosophy of green lobbyists, who argue that the solution to traffic problems is not to build more roads. There is no point in mega-developments – such as Vauxhall’s answer to Pudong – that do nothing to meet the underlying needs of British workers. Above all, it challenges the heart of Thatcherite dogma – that laissez-faire works. In housing, the author concludes, such thinking has failed, and dramatically so.
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Socialism is the politics of envy, if the state look after you it's OK, if you look after yourself you are some sort of pariah on society, is that it ads?
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Interesting Ads
It looks to have been written by the hav's in an effort to bring the market back into a recognisable manner. Then these same hav's can plunder it all over again!!
the notion that addressing the foreign buyers in major cities by making them stop it will ease the burden of someone in Nottingham trying to buy a family home, is nothing short of scandalous.
Not so much a think tank as a septic tank eh.
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This is the obsession that te the uk has had with owning property and the thatcher remit of right to buy with our replacing council houses
Many brits bought second homes in desirable places such ax the south west and priced the locals out of the market.
The same could be said about property in spain France or anywhere with second home ownership and locals
Price of capitalism greed and wealth I guess
But one thing is for sure it has nothing to do with brexit or the EU
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I paid 2500 pounds for my house when I moved out of the carp hole Spain is now
I live on the seafront have a beach and everything I may be on benefits and don't have to pay council tax try getting that in Spain
I much prefer the UK to Spain all expats are running away from something when they know deep inside they are not truly happy I think the UK will get much better and France and Spain and Germany much worse in the next 10 years and I'm not often wrong
Hugh xxps Merry Xmas
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No that's not it Destry, and Tadd it has much to do with Brexit as the housing shortfall definitely played its part in citizens frustrations in so much as extra demand from the swift influx of migrants only exacerbated an already under supplied housing market (broken housing market) due to the growing prevalence of landlordism and 2nd home ownership. There were many factors at play here which on reflection should have been recognised and responded to by both Govt and EU alike....in the case of the EU, they should have factored in the need for more time for the UK to realistically take adequate measures whilst at the same time recognise other pull factors.
The more you reflect on all of these realities, the more you recognise what a mess politicians both at Govt and EU level have made of things, with many innocent citizens losing out as a consequence of excessive greed, ineptitude, intransigence, denial....etc.
It's back to the need to divise a system that works more effectively I'm afraid!
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The shortage of housing is down to the lack of planning and greed or successive uk govt not the EU
A demand for labour resources and easy pickings of benefits etc must be catered for on a plan if population and economic growth which has been sorry lacking on the uk
Civilians must be frustrated but their anger in the wrong direction
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Not the EU???? So the EU should not have evaluated and forward planned to ensure its member state's ability to deal with mass migration was possible, to recognise the pull factors, the wage differentials, the differences in social structures and benefit systems etc? Nor recognise the need to factor such pull factors and impacts into their strategy and respond to statistics that were already indicating major problem areas and citizen unrest?
Sorry Tadd, this failure was a major oversight and either demonstrated ineptitude or denial which inevitably led to Brexit.
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When the people posting on this site are involved in open, day to day discussion I always think it gives more insight into the reasons the Brexit vote went the way it did.
When I look at the postings on some days and see long posts with polarised viewpoints, and the use of cut and paste from other polarised reports, I don't think they are accurately portraying the way Brexit came about.
The country is about the people, and politics is for the people. Housing, price of fish, wages, borders, immigration, all these things are part of Brexit and the way we have developed since the 1970's. All are part of the EU 'effect' in my world anyway!!
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The 'Right To Buy', policy is the main cause of the housing shortage, and as for private rentals, who is going to house the plethora of students that has appeared due to Blair's 'Education, Education, Education' policy? There are hundreds of unoccupied council owned 1960's tower blocks that could be used to house the homeless, but are left to deteriorate further, complete madness !
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Brexit came about because of three groups:
Poorly educated people with little or no prospects who are convinced that migrants are stealing the jobs that they don't want anyway, taking up places in schools, creating queues in GP offices and getting all the best social housing.
The never had a passport crowd who are just weird. Their idea of discovering the world is watching East Enders
and the blue rinse set who harken back to the good old days when fish and chips was wrapped in newspaper.
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The more I read about the present state of the UK the more I am convinced that life in Europe is considerably superior.
The regulation and forward planning of many individual European states has avoided many of the current problems the UK seems to have despite eight years of recession.
Germany for example has absorbed over 1 million refugees and done so comfortably without causing any of the social problems described in the UK.
The French health service continues to be one of the best in the world even though migration from North Africa and elsewhere continues to increase. Spain has many EU migrants from Romanian and Britain who are accepted by the population on an equal basis.
So why does the EU in general work for mainland Europe and not the UK?
The failures whilst perhaps more complex does have some obvious conclusion. It seems to me in Britain there is a combination of long standing political ineptitude and a sort of all-pervading island race mentality. Agreeing to be part of a political movement whilst at the same time remaining demonstratively separate. A belief that the consequences of free movement of European peoples would not have any negative social impact on a nation’s fabric because Britain is somehow different.
Had forward planning and greater investment taken place in public services the impact of social change would I suggest not be as great. Human tolerance seen in other EU states would possibly have led to a different result in the referendum.
Britain and the EU is a victim in a sense to its own economic success. Migration follows economic expansion and it’s a wise government that can foresee the likely consequences of that success. Instead UK governments of all colours in the last thirty years did nothing except reduce public sector investment.
Brexit will now reduce that economic expansion considerably. In a sense the migration issue will then solve itself naturally with less incentive for European to migrate there from their home states. Brexit will mark a decade long decline in British prosperity and its population will start to wonder why they ever believed EU membership was a problem.
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How about 3 mill new immigrants over 20 years from all over the world, either with jobs or looking for work or arriving as students because our adult education is deemed desirable being a fairly important factor in shortage of housing.
No one could foresee the advantages and attractions for many of moving to the UK whose economy has outshone most of the EU since 2007.
EU economic growth remains sragnant
EU borrowings as a % of GDP are growing.
EU unemployment has been growing for a number of years and is just starting to bottom out.
Is it surprise that freedom of movement will have attracted EU immigration as well as RoW over the recent past.
The B2L market has grown considerably due to poor pension returns due to QE and low interest rates.
The relative strength and stability of sterling and the U.K. Has also attracted massive property investment from the Far East, Russians and Greeks, many of whom are dodging taxes in their own countries
Yes we have land to build on, until of course you allow objections from local groups and campaigners.
ThecUK has become a magnet for investment of capital as well as people, very probably too much in too short a time.
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I am totally convinced that Perry power and Micky Finn are sharing the same drugs,or they could be authors of fantasy novels ,since the Brexit uncontrolled emigration from the EU is up one third and is on target to hit half a million per year in to the UK maybe you two clowns should be standing at the arrivals desk and try and convince these people that they are making a big mistake leaving the EU and should go back home .because you will have to wait a month to see a doctor we have no council housing and 35 people in the Lewisham London are chasing one job please go back home .
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To all those that think the EU SSR is better than the UK
If its so good, go there, stay there, and don't ever come back.
The UK is better off without you.
It is better off with the un-educated, better off with the never had a passport crowd, and better off with the blue rinse set. (at least they care about their country, not some dictatorship).
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