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Yes Tadd. That's what I have been saying. The EU regime are much like vultures, good observation.
As for personal, no not me I don't take things personally.
I get the feeling that by mentioning not taking things personally to at least three people, you want to try and make things personal, because your views are a bit shallow and it's the best way of winding people up, like a bully trying to scare people into submission
Try and focus for a second. The thread is called Brexit I voted remain, but it came back as leave. I am going to leave the EU. The more I see of the EU and the way it works, I'm happy to leave. I had not taken a great deal of notice before about how they spent our money, but it's become obvious that leaving is a decision I can live with.
Is that a good start for you Tadd?
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Vultures and why not the uk is in bits and the eu see opportunities that will help the eu economy and create jobs
My views are not shallow and there you go again calling names and making it personal
Get over it people have different views
Still no idea or r proof from the brexiters of what the uk will end up with just a dream and the brainwashing from the likes of boris and NF
Even TM and DD still have no idea
They are not listening to many businesses not taking the eu stance serious enough no plan B c or d
They are not listening to the other nations or the people of those nations and the still think the uk is some world powerhouse and have grwat importance how wrong they are and the RoW are seeing that now
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OK Tadd. Your right, we are going to hell in a hand cart, and it's our own fault, we should have known better.
we should be meek and mild and accept everything that anyone can throw at us from now on.
But I have this sneaking feeling we may be better off and survive quite well, I will have to work on that for you.
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Yeah, wish I had had Tadds crystal ball now, we' re doomed, I tell you.
Just off to Beachey Head, can't make up my mind whether to jump or dive in, swim to France and claim asylum Away from that nasty Boris and Nigel.
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Brian
I applaud and respect your optimism but I disagree with you and we shall see
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My crystal ball is as clear as yours
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Au contraire, Tadd, from what you have been telling us most assuredly on here, you already know more than most, as we are doomed.
The end of life as we know it.
See what I did there, practice a little French so my asylum claim stacks up.
Last one out turn off the lights please.
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Tadd it must be permanently pissing down with rain in your part of Spain.. with all this prophesizing and doom and gloom that you are preaching on this thread for your sake get out and enjoy your retirement the people back in the UK are getting on with their lives and could not give two Trucks what you have to say.
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Brian
I applaud and respect your optimism but I disagree with you and we shall see
Thanks Tadd, it means a lot that I have your respect.
While we are waiting for us 'to see', I'm off down to my golf course to ask if the nice Mr vultures has insisted on a trade deal for me to play or if im still safe (Im worried its an EU assett right now).
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Such little talk of seeking out mutually beneficial outcomes....All too much defensive and divisive rhetoric perhaps rather than looking towards positive outlooks each side of the channel?
And where does this eminate from?
From those in power who seek to scapegoat a nation following a democratic decision to leave, or from an arrogant nation deluded in its aspiration to seek out a more global trading strategy, endeavouring to regain control of many aspects that were working against the better interests of its citizens and sadly proliferating dissilusionment and unrest, whilst equally endeavouring to re-address uncomfortable realities relating to "home grown" problems?
Surely in this day and age, citizens can effect change through their proactive endeavours ( and through the ballot box) and make their politicians better accountable to respond to growing concerns?
The difference being here however, under the two systems, one sadly appears as hitting your head against a brick wall, with all too many factors working against you leaving you feeling vulnerable and unrepresented, treating you as pawns in a federalist experiment, as opposed to another which although in need of ongoing reform ( which is in progress), is a more democratic and responsive and accessible system to your needs?
Comprehension of the two systems and the realities associated with each, and how they directly impact citizens on a personal level is essential in this scenario, but I suspect there have been many who now perceive the aggressive and at times vindictive behaviour of the EU bureaucrats as indicative of the way they sadly fail to seek out compromise or be willing to comprehend the impact of their policies on real citizens, and the essential need to seek mutually beneficial outcomes to the benefit of all citizens.
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It was a clear choice in the referendum. Vote to remain in a USSR type undemocratic club or freedom. I would rather have freedom than riches.
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See the normal candidates are resorting to bad language insults and name calling
They wonder why brits have such a bad name across the world
Some can't even recognise different democracies yet the uk has a very bad one and won't listen to its 4 member states
the EOUK (english owned UK) rules everyone and dictates to all - some democracy mind you many still think the uk has an empire
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Very inciteful Tadd.
But keep the planes flying Tadd. We are counting on your negotiation skills.
Er. Who was the Italian company by the way?
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Just responding to the insults name calling use of bad language etc - which IMO is incicting
I am not the only one who has been insulted by the "little brexiter gang" on here
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Interesting view on Brexit by Thom Brooks. The likely coming conflict with the west and Russia may well put Brexit on the back burner. My assessment not his.
The strident attitude toward the EU by many British people may well fall away when western nations have to face the threat of a common enemy.
If Brexit is about the UK severing all ties to the EU to reclaim our sovereignty and take back control of our borders, then this isn’t likely.
The problem is that often when people talk about leaving “the EU” they confuse it with leaving the EEA (European Economic Area) and its single market – but not all EEA states are in the EU. It may be possible for the UK to leave the EU but remain in the EEA and follow the Norway model, an option many people think is preferable.
This EU versus EEA distinction is important in principle because leaving the EU doesn’t mean ending free movement, as this is connected to EEA membership, but voters were only asked about the EU in last year’s referendum.
In practice though, it doesn’t matter too much. The Prime Minister has said free movement for Europeans will continue for years post-Brexit as part of an extended “transition”, and how long this will last is anyone’s guess.
Likewise, there will be no substantive change in most other areas either. The misnamed “Great Repeal Bill” is neither great nor a repeal – it will only keep existing EU laws in a holding pattern until the UK decides what to do with them. All 83,000 or more.
It will be an enormous task for the Government to wade through them in their many thousands deciding which to keep, amend or scrap. And that’s without contemplating the poor parliamentary aides having to produce risk assessments for possible consequences for each decision. Taking back control never looked so time-consuming. It’s difficult to see future governments spending much time on anything more than what Britain should keep or kick out on Brexit Day – while EU states focus on moving forward.
Thom Brooks. The Independent 9 April
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Welcome back Mickey i missed you. 
Your current contribution with the quote from Thom Brookes shows how flawed some of these people who are supposed to know these things are. Consider these 83,000 or more laws and regulations that have come into force in the last 40 or so years, some are for the better, others maybe not so. The easiest way for government to cope with these regulations is to state that as the regulations were made democratically with the UK, part of that democracy at that time, the government will stand with their legality under UK law.
By doing this as a blanket regulation, a lot of the lesser regulations could be left to stand, and the more objectional ones could be worked on and amended, which admittedly could take some years. Most directives though would most likely not be far from what the UK government would envisage, but enforcement would be returned to the UK post Brexit.
As to your personal view,
"The likely coming conflict with the west and Russia may well put Brexit on the back burner. My assessment not his.
The strident attitude toward the EU by many British people may well fall away when western nations have to face the threat of a common enemy. "
Well, my view of that quote is you seem to have overlooked the membership of the UK in the NATO alliance. This predates the EU by some years, and would be precisely what the UK (and the USA as a member) would involve themselves with the threat, and so the EU would have very little input from that defensive strategy. It is why the EU in recent years have attempted to form a EU army outside of the NATO alliance. Therefore when considering a threat of a common enemy there will be no attitude towards the EU, the whole of Europe would mobilise under a NATO directive, not an EU one.
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Welcome back also
The strident attitude toward the EU by many British people may well fall away when western nations have to face the threat of a common enemy.
I agree with Robert NATO will take priority in the event of any escalation.
However, we do have the statement from TM in her Article 50 letter regarding security cooperation with EU etc.
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It may also aid the EUbs standing in NATO if many nations were to actually meet the 2% contribution agreement.
It is all very well to agree things but not always as easy in some EU nations to follow through.
Yes Mickey, I agree Syria and relationships between 2 egomaniacs, Trump and Putin could well make Brexit seem like a drop in the ocean.
When our parliament was asked to join in bombing of The regime, we voted NO because of mistakes made in Iraq.
Changing regimes in Syria coukd easily lead to another impasse,
which is better, warring factions and tribal groups or allowing the regime to bomb its citizens.
Your choice.
A different forum, I think.
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Robert = the whole of Europe would mobilise under a NATO directive, not an EU one.
Yes of course that was not really my point. I was referring to attitudes among many British 'outers' towards the EU and in particular the right wing in the Tory party and their friends in the press.
In the event of a conflict we may witness a volte face in attitudes of Trump proportions towards leaving an institution which cooperates substantially towards the security of western Europe. NATO is the military arm the EU I suggest is the political glue that holds it together. Britains would no doubt be content in this instance it was still a member
The EU was born from two major world conflicts lets hope there is never a third.
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" NATO is the military arm the EU I suggest is the political glue that holds it together. Britains would no doubt be content in this instance it was still a member." Mickey, i disagree, the EU is not in any way a political "glue" that holds NATO together. What holds NATO together is the fact that Europe needs a military prescence with the agreement of all countries concerned, an agreement that came into being after the Second World War, and before the EEC (not the EU) was ever brought into existence. Furthermore it was this EEC that came into existence due to the war, not the stumbling giant of the EU that now exists.
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May I suggest forum members read this fact sheet.
http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2016_07/20160630_1607-factsheet-nato-eu-en.pdf
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