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Yes Elsie, what can any nation do to stop one guy from hijacking a truck in god knows where and mowing down dozens of innocen people? I'm no expert, but am certain that there are a lot of well trained folk out there who are beating themselves up in frustasion about current events, I'm a Brexiteer, but fall short of blaming the EU for the ills of the world.
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Some uncomfortable truths ...
Although the CFP is centrally managed, it is implemented nationally, allowing authorities to favour their own fleets. Greenpeace last year revealed Spanish authorities turning a blind eye to abuses by the EU’s biggest fishing fleet.
CFP was supposed to protect fish stocks without killing fishing communities. It’s failed on both counts. Despite 42 years of the CFP, three out of four of the major commercial stocks are overfished, while the EU fleet is still at least double the sustainable level. Without change, 90 percent of stocks will reach unsustainable levels within 10 years. Quota hopping within the EU enables big commercial fisheries from countries like Spain and Denmark to grab the others stocks. The quota system favours big industrial trawlers while penalizing small, sustainable inshore fishing communities who are denied quotas.
CFP rules force fishermen to dump billions of dead fish because they are too small or the wrong species. An FAO study estimates discards in the North Atlantic at 1.3 tonnes a year, 13 percent of the catch, with even higher rates off the coasts of Scotland and Ireland. This is a terrible waste and it should be changed.
Under the CFP, the EU bullies and bribes poor countries into opening their waters to predatory European factory ships. The EU fleet now takes around 40 percent of its catch by weight from the waters of so-called “partner countries.” That threatens the livelihoods of 1.5 million small fishermen in West Africa. They are turning to smuggling emigrants instead, while their Somali counterparts are forced into piracy.
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I've no idea where you've copied that report from ads but it is totally at odds with the latest report from the Marine Stewardship Council. They report on The remarkable recovery of North Sea cod stocks and point out One of the main Scottish species to be MSC certified is North Sea haddock, which is a key staple for UK consumers and a favourite fish for most of us to eat. The fishery was certified as sustainable by the MSC in October 2010 and only recently(2015) sailed through its latest audit with flying colours. North Sea haddock is Scotland’s most valuable whitefish stock and its certification underlines the trail-blazing path our fishermen are taking in stock conservation.
The report goes on to explain the rules on not catching smaller fish have been a great success and far less is being "dumped" after rules on net sizes have been maintained. Returning catches is expensive so fleets have made great inroads into ensuring this is now kept to a minimum.
And West Africans turned to smuggling immigrants and Somalis forced into taking up piracy because of fishing?. Not wishing to be facetious but codswallop.
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http://www.fishingforthetruth.co.uk/eu-fish-council-reminder-deficiencies-cfp/
Dec 11th 2016
EU Fish Council – a reminder of the deficiencies of CFP
Posted on December 11, 2016 by fishing4thetruth in Brexit, Discards, Europe/CFP
The annual EU quota negotiations are always a rather fraught affair and an abject reminder of the glaring deficiencies of the EU Common Fisheries Policy (CFP).
Fishermen’s livelihoods depend on the outcomes of these talks to decide upon the catching opportunity for the following year. Over the course of two or three days there are frenetic talks among the ministers of all 28 EU states, with compromises tabled when agreement can’t be reached, followed by more convoluted negotiations.
Alliances are formed by groups of countries to press their cases – sometimes to our advantage but other times not, and so the talking goes on. EU ministers and civil servants eventually fumble their way towards a final compromise and usually in the early hours of the morning a deal is reached. In short, fishermen’s futures are decided in a high pressure environment. It’s not very edifying and a perfect example of how not to manage our fisheries.
Of course, many of the quotas will have already been decided by the time we reach this stage in the process, especially those for shared stocks between EU and Norway, which cover such key species as North Sea haddock and cod. These are decided in November over two sets of week-long talks, where Norway as an independent coastal state negotiates directly with the EU to agree upon final share allocations. It puts Norway in a powerful position, negotiating directly with the EU, and ensuring its twin objectives of sustainable fishing and a good deal for its fishermen are reached.
So, by the end of November, Norwegian fishermen already know their catching opportunity for 2017 safe in the knowledge that they have achieved the best possible agreement. Once the UK leaves the EU in a couple of years’ time, we too will be in exactly the same position as a fully-fledged coastal state.
With full control of our 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone, it will provide the twin advantages of fairer shares of catching opportunity for our fishermen, as well as better overall management. It means Scotland and the UK can at long last implement fit-for-purpose fisheries management plans that are good for fishing communities and good for the environment.
But what about the talks starting today? Well, as ever, some quotas will rise and others will fall in line with scientific advice. North Sea cod looks set for a small increase and the saithe quota will also rise. Haddock is in line for a significant decrease, although this is not a reflection of any notable decline in the stock, but is rather a readjustment made to accommodate a previous error in the scientific assessment.
A particular challenge for 2017 is that more species will come under the umbrella of the discard ban. Whilst no-one hates discarding fish more than our fishermen, this has the potential to cause real operational problems because of so-called ‘choke species’, where a mixed fishery has to close down in its entirety because the allocation of one species has been fully taken.
And here-in lies another sea of opportunity in Brexit, for it will give the opportunity to develop a discards policy that works in practice and ensures sustainable fishing
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A merry BreXmas to all and a Happy NoEU Year.
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Does that mean that the UK fishing industry can forego the £200 million EU grants they would have received between now and the next election?
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Funds
The EFF has £111 million available for the UK. Each of the four UK governments has a share of this amount:
Wales - £14 million
Northern Ireland - £14.5 million
England - £38.5 million
Scotland - £44 million
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How much effect will this fish thing have on Brit expats living in Spain?. Eye on Spain.
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Sustainability of fish affects us ALL.
http://www.mcsuk.org/what_we_do/Fishing+for+our+future/Fisheries+-+what+we+do/Fears+for+bass+recovery+result+in+zero+catch+advice+for+2017
Fears for bass recovery result in zero catch advice for 2017
Latest advice shows seabass population is dangerously low
The Marine Conservation Society (MCS) says the latest advice from ICES that no seabass should be caught in 2017 from the stock in UK’s waters reveals the desperate situation this restaurant and recreational angling favourite is in.
The advice confirms fears that the population - which is mainly shared with France and the Netherlands - has now slipped to dangerously low levels and is at risk of not recovering properly.
This news comes on the back of emergency measures imposed by the EU in 2015 and then further restrictions to the fishery from January this year including a complete ban in February and March to protect spawning aggregations of seabass (except a 1% bycatch allowance for trawl fisheries).
Whilst it’s clear these measures are achieving reductions in catches and helping to protect juveniles, they don’t go anywhere near enough to prevent further declines in the population which is now at a critically low level.
Samuel Stone, MCS Fisheries and Aquaculture Programme Co-ordinator, says the writing has been on the wall for the bass fishery for a number of years: “Despite that, the fishing industry has fought hard to play down the seriousness of the situation. In 2014, scientists recommended an 80% reduction in bass catches, and whilst large reductions have been made, the resulting reductions have been more like 50%, and even then there is huge uncertainty in the actual catch figures for bass as it’s known to be illegally caught and sold in the UK and there is a large recreational catch.”
At the end of 2015, the European Commission had proposed a complete moratorium for seabass for the first six months of 2016 which MCS was supportive of, but what was finally agreed by the Council of Ministers was significantly watered down and included many exemptions to allow for the ongoing fishing of bass by several fleets.
Scientists suggest that even if a zero catch was implemented next year – something that will be impossible to achieve - the population would likely still be near or below critical levels in 2018. MCS strongly supports the scientific advice for a zero catch next year, but says that in order to get anywhere near this, additional selectivity and avoidance measures and much better monitoring will be needed.
MCS already has a red rating for this seabass fishery in its Good Fish Guide | (www.goodfishguide.org), advising all consumers and businesses to avoid buying bass until the fishery has recovered to a healthier state.
“With this new advice, the red rating will be maintained for the foreseeable future and those wishing to buy bass should take extra care to find out where their fish is from. Most bass in the UK are actually farmed and represent a better choice at the moment. There are one or two other stocks from further afield, but not enough is known about these populations to know if they represent a sustainable choice” says Samuel Stone.
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European Union accused of exporting the problem of overfishing
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jun/09/eu-european-union-accused-exporting-problem-overfishing-mauritania-deal
"But the fishing deal has received growing criticism from researchers and environmentalists who have accused the EU of exporting its problem of overexploitation to African waters."
“When fishing represents the main source of protein, and a major source of livelihoods, it really matters how much we are stealing from Africa’s waters. And with increased danger from collisions with trawlers, some west African fishermen end up paying with their lives,” it warned.
Local fishermen are forced to compete with the EU’s industrial trawlers for catches. The Greenpeace report says that a European trawler can capture up to 250 tonnes of fish a day, which would take 56 traditional African boats a year to net.
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Forum posting deficit hyperactivity disorder (FPDHD) is a group of behavioural symptoms that include inattentiveness, hyperactivity and impulsiveness.
Symptoms of FPDHD tend to be noticed at an early age and may become more noticeable when an OAP circumstances change, such as when they join expat forums. Most cases are diagnosed when OAP’s are 60 to 65 years old.
The symptoms of FPDHD usually increase with age, but many adults who are diagnosed with the condition at a younger age continue to experience problems.
People with FPDHD may also have additional problems, such as sleep and anxiety disorders.
Getting help
Many OAP’s go through phases where they're restless or inattentive. This is often completely normal and doesn't necessarily mean they have FPDHD.
However, you should consider raising your concerns with your OAP’s doctor, their care homes special educational needs co-ordinator (SENCO) or vet if you think their behaviour may be different to most OAP’s their age.
It's also a good idea to speak to your GP if you're an OAP and you think you may have FPDHD, but you weren't diagnosed with the condition as a child.
What causes FPDHD?
The exact cause of FPDHD is unknown, but the condition has been shown to run in expats. Research has also identified a number of possible differences in the brains of people with FPDHD compared to those who don't have the condition.
Other factors that have been suggested as potentially having a role in FPDHD include:
- being born prematurely (before the 37th week of pregnancy)
- having a low birthweight
- smoking, alcohol or drug abuse during pregnancy
It's thought that around 2% to 5% of OAP’s may have FPDHD, increasing to around 50% to 100% of members of Eye on Spain forum.
FPDHD can occur in people of low intellectual ability, although it's more common in people with learning difficulties.
How FPDHD is treated
Although there's no cure for FPDHD, it can be managed with appropriate educational support, advice and support from EOS moderators and affected OAP, alongside medication, if necessary.
Medication is often the first treatment offered to OAP’s with FPDHD, although psychological therapies such as cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) may also help.
Living with FPDHD
Looking after a OAP with FPDHD can be challenging, but it's important to remember that they can't help their behaviour. They believe they are know all’s that are never wrong.
Some issues that may arise in day-to-day life include:
- getting your OAP to sleep at night
- getting ready for hospital on time
- listening to and carrying out instructions
- being organised
- social occasions
- shopping
- toilet training
Ex expats with FPDHD may also find they have similar problems, and some may have issues with drugs, crime and retirement. Even though they have left Spain and are back in the UK they continue to post on EOS and irritate other members with FPDHD.
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The main drawback to this is that, having explained the condition and all the remedy information. Within 2 hours the OAP forgets everything that was said.
The very next day they repeat themselves.
I see it all too,often. Yes even here in brexit land.
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The condition does seem more virulent and prevalant in the male brexiter species emanating from the North of England and Kent
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At risk of repeating oneself
Have a great Xmas and New Year. 
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Does that mean that the UK fishing industry can forego the £200 million EU grants they would have received between now and the next election?
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Does this funding come from the magical EU money tree?
Merry Xmas
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Don't know hugh_man. I presume it justs falls off the back of Boris's and Nigel's red bus.
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The Berlin Christmas market killer seems to have crossed through 4 or possibly 5 counties formerly with borders before being caught on a routine stop and check.
Is this a reason to discuss having tighter border controls, do you think?
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** EDITED - Against forum rules ** was free to travel across 5 EU borders unchecked and was registered under 4 different names as a EU citizen in 4 EU countries ,this is why the UK want border controls with the right to refuse entry in to the UK .The EU is about to loose one of it's biggest allies ( UK ) not because the UK wants to leave the EU all the UK wants is Border control with no right to stay unless you have a meens of supporting your self and not to be come a burden on the state ,,when the UK finally leaves the EU the EU will have to introduce these measure's ,if they don't the economic migrants that would have come unchecked to the UK will head for the next best country in the EU and overload that countries resources.
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no right to stay unless you have a meens of supporting your self and not to be come a burden on the state ,,when the UK finally leaves the EU the EU will have to introduce these measure's
It's been pointed out many times before but the EU does have these measures in place, It's UK that doesn't apply them.
Here they are again:
After 3 months in your new country, you may be required to register your residence with the relevant authority (often the town hall or local police station), and to be issued with a registration certificate.
You will need a valid identity card or passport and:
- Employees / Postings abroad
- Certificate of employment or confirmation of recruitment from your employer
- Proof you can support yourself and your family members without becoming a burden on the welfare system of the Member State. Resources may come from any source.
- Self-employed
- Proof of your status as self-employed
- Pensioners
- Proof of comprehensive health insurance
- Proof you can support yourself without needing income support: resources may come from any source
- Students
- Proof of enrolment at an approved educational establishment
- Proof of comprehensive health insurance
- Declaration that you have sufficient resources to support yourself without needing income support: resources may come from any source
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