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Micky,
With the fall of the £ and tariffs on top, we won't be buying as much EU goods. Conversely, even with tariffs, UK goods might still be cheaper than pre Brexit.
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The EU exit vote was ALL about immigration for MANY people and although we do not want to mix up immigration with racism it is very borderline......The EU vote was not, and never was. All about the immigration issues, it was probably about 85% taking back control of our own country from what is quickly turning into a control freak.
Yes it never was officially but so many people voted on this topic alone
Yet immigartion is NOT the EU's fault and it will not go away post Brexit.....It might not go away, it might be better controlled though, which is better then we have now which is next to nothing.
How is it going to be controlled - it is now even EU migartions have some controls (not many I agree)
The attitude of many towards immigrants is wrong in every sense....Direct that question to someone who has a house full of Romanians / Africans, just to name a few, living next door to them, everyone thinks if the undesirables moved in next to them they wouldn't mind one little bit, oh really.
This has been going on for years before the EU and will continue due to the attitude of many who think they are better and Brexit will not change this. Sadly it wil be aroudn for many more years
They are NOT pinching our jobs, homes, schools, benefits etc. The majority add a lot more to society and the economy than many who are born in UK, scrounge off the system and want to blame anyone for their own failings and weaknesses as human beings......They are not pinching our jobs etc, but if the millions were not here then our government should / could kick our own people into these jobs but as it is they cant because the jobs have gone, as for housing, homes / schools and benefits, well that beggars belief.
I agre but do you really think that the UK govt would force people into work and relocate. Not going tohappen now or in the future
Sadly immigrants are an easy target and many forget these people are human beings simply trying to have better life for themseves andtheir families. Maybe a few should spend a day walking in their shoes ....I do walk in their shoes, for one day a week I work with them, talk to them, explain rules and laws to them, I do this for free, but I don't talk with any French / Spanish / Italians / Greeks etc etc, for some reason they don't seem to be in the country enmass...Why not?
You are in the minority thathelp but you do not truly walk in their shoes - have you ever had a situation where you could not feed your children, obtain healthcare, a home, blankets or have your lives threatened.
This is getting out of hand now thanks to the ones who voted to stay. because they honestly believe all us leavers were only concerned with immigration.
Many leavers were and are still only concerned with immigration which is why it is such a hot topic now and pre 23rd June
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We have a serious shortage of students that want to study engineering or the sciences. Of the 40 post grads we provide opportunities too only 2 are from the UK. Despite the UK having a serious number of scientists most now work in the US or like me in Switzerland.
There needs tobe a hugh boost to the emphasis the UK puts on accademic excellence if future engineers and scientists from India, North America and the far east do not continue to form the backbone of researchers in the top UK univercities and companies.
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They even had one such Spanish engineer on the program who confirmed that.
Here once again we have an example of how supporters of Brexit are in total denial of the consequences of what they wished for.
I have absolutely no doubt that there are Spanish Engineers working in the UK I have met some at IET meetings. But what has that to do with Brexit? It is because we have more available, higher paid positions than Spain.
The UK educates engineers from many countries around the world, particularly some commonwealth countries. You only have to look at elections to the engineering council where sometimes it looks as if the UK is midway between India, Singapore and Hong Kong. This still has little to do with Brexit, people came here because of the quality of the education before we joined the EEC and will hopefully continue to come when we leave the EU. The only reason for decline I can see (and it is very worrying) is the shrinking engineering base in the UK. Something which it can be argued is partly as a result of being in the EU. It deeply saddens me when we have to rely on French and Chinese expertise to build new nuclear power stations in an industry where we once led the world.
Hopefully we will regenerate our reliance on our own abilities when we are once again able to control our own destiny.
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their bars in the UK will now have every other pyramid piece of chocolate missing
Inverse pyramid selling?
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Is that what happened at Pentonville? Every other bar missing...
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The more you read about what has been going on these past years (research, engineering, universities, health professionals etc) the more you realise how we've been held back from growing opportunities from within, losing certain skill sets (and I'm sure its the same for other EU member states). It appears as though the sooner the UK get back the control to rebuild our skills bases, in house research, develop business opportunities, IT skills, regional infrastructure projects, eco sustainable development projects, all the aspects that we used to excel at from within, etc, the better.
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Interesting statistic:
EU immigrants are less than 5% of UK population.
UK unemployment = 4.9% of eligible to work population.
Don't know what to make of it, I am sure there is an interesting conclusion to be had?
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DONNY WINS
THE people have voted this makes BREXIT a certainty on super great terms for the UK
Great Result for the Minnions
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- Between 1993 and 2014 the foreign-born population in the UK more than doubled from 3.8 million to around 8.3 million. During the same period, the number of foreign citizens increased from nearly 2 million to more than 5 million.
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- London has the greatest number of migrants (3.0 million foreign-born people in 2014) among all regions with comparable data in the UK.
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- In 2014, the UK population was 13.1% foreign-born (up from 7% in 1993) and 8.5% foreign citizens (up from 4% in 1993).
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- Foreign-born people constituted 39% of Inner London’s population in 2013 (the highest share among all regions with comparable data).
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- India is the most common country of birth among the foreign-born, but Poland tops the list of foreign citizens in the UK.
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Here's some details re zero hours contracts and their impact on economy.
Question: Will the EU respond to MEPs calling for them to be banned or better reassess the pros and cons?
Will the UK Govt respond to these problems associated with zero hours contracts and the impact on the economy ( drag on consumer spending) and acknowledge the link to under-employment?
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/knowledge/socialscience/zerohourscontracts
“People on insecure zero-hours contracts are less likely to have the confidence to spend than people with more stable incomes,” explains Kim. “Zero-hours contracts could represent a drag on consumer spending and hence economic recovery.”
The contracts may offer some advantages but these, if founded, do not outweigh the drawbacks they bring to the economy and those in the labour market. Official figures analysed by the Resolution Foundation showed that zero-hours workers earned an average of £9 an hour, compared with £15 for other employees.
“From the employer’s point of view, zero-hours contracts provide ultimate labour flexibility, enabling them to keep labour costs down by matching staffing to demand as closely as possible,” says Kim. “While this clearly has significant cost saving potential in the short-term, it is difficult to see how businesses can build motivated workforces that are committed to the goals of the business when they are employing staff in such a manner.
“The flexibility [the contracts] provide may well have enabled the UK to avoid higher levels of unemployment during the economic downturn. They may also have enabled some people to maintain an attachment to the labour market who would otherwise not have been able to do so. That said, such contracts could also be seen as part of the wider underemployment problem that has affected the UK economy in recent times, with large numbers of workers on part-time or casual contracts wanting to work more hours but being unable to do so.
“Hence, while unemployment has remained lower than many economists predicted would be the case, underemployment has been high and zero-hours contracts may be a significant part of this picture, and so impacting on consumer confidence and spending.”
.....many people on zero-hours contracts are on the lowest wages in the economy,” adds Kim. “Making them the least able to cope with financial shocks such as a cut in hours from one week to the next. Zero-hours contracts also make financial planning all but impossible. It is difficult to get a loan, a mortgage, a credit card or a tenancy agreement if you are not able to provide proof of earnings.
“There is a need for a more detailed review of the extent and impact of such contracts. What is notable is that the CIPD’s figures showed that zero-hours contracts are becoming even more widespread in the public sector than the private sector. While 17 per cent of private sector organisations in the CIPD’s research stated that they used such contracts, the figures were 34 per cent for organisations in the voluntary sector and 24 per cent in the public sector. This is more than likely a reflection of the increasing pressure local authorities are under to respond to budget cuts, requiring even tighter tenders for outsourced contracts, for example.”
The growth of such contracts is perhaps testimony to the extent to which employers have focused more in recent times on squeezing the wage bill rather than responding to attempts to encourage them to seek greater employee engagement.
“Given how far the benefits of such contracts are weighted towards employers, this is testimony to where the balance of power in the employment relationship lies,” says Kim. “Employees have no means by which to resist such contracts - given the weakness of unions in the private sector in particular – and the only option for many to such contracts is the prospect of unemployment."
26th July 2016
https://fullfact.org/law/zero-hours-contracts-uk-europe/
"Zero Hours contracts: is the UK " the odd one out"?
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The Guardian - Millions of UK workers stuck in wrong job, study shows:-
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/29/millions-of-uk-workers-stuck-in-wrong-job-analysis-shows
"Millions of UK workers are stuck in the wrong job or working fewer hours than they would like, according to a report warning that this army of underemployed people are blocking opportunities for those outside the labour market (i.e. economically inactive)."
" “Many people assume that moving towards full employment simply involves getting the unemployed into work. But the biggest potential job gains stem from bringing in the much larger group of economically inactive people. To do that we need to focus on the kind of work available, particularly for the large numbers with health problems and caring responsibilities to juggle.
“Encouraging people into part-time jobs lies at the heart of boosting employment. The good news is that the UK’s flexible labour market provides plenty of part-time opportunities. The bad news is that far too many of those jobs are already taken by people who would prefer to work more hours elsewhere.”
The following counter argument has been used however:-
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/06/15/flexible-friends-why-employers-hire-eastern-european-migrants-in-order-to-grow/
"EU migrants have flex appeal
Employers report little difference between migrants and British workers on
measures such as productivity, work ethic and commitment. But there is one
important difference between some EU migrants and British workers. Their mobility and short term goals make them more flexible. They can adjust their hours up and down in a way that British workers either can’t or aren’t willing to do. Such arrangements are more acceptable to migrants, particularly recent arrivals, than to British workers because they are less likely to be seeking stable employment, at least in the short term.
Flexible migrant labour has enabled businesses in low skilled sectors to grow. Jobs in low paid sectors have changed alongside the growth in EU migrant numbers, not because of it. A number of case study employers said they would not have been able to expand their businesses without access to EU migrants, and that they formed part of their future plans for growth. Where migrants form a minority of the workforce, which they most often do, this has helped to create employment opportunities for British workers. Employers need low skilled workers as much as they need higher level skills. For this reason, as our report concludes, ending free movement and restricting low skilled immigration is likely to damage business and threaten jobs in some of our key sectors."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/08/uk-workers-zero-hours-contracts-rise-tuc
( 2 months ago)
"The number of UK workers on zero-hours contracts has leapt 20% in a year to more than 900,000, indicating that insecure employment has become a permanent and growing feature of the jobs market.
Zero-hours contracts are widely used by retailers, restaurants, leisure companies and hotels. The care industry is estimated to employ 160,000 workers on zero-hours contracts while the public sector, especially the health service, has increasingly adopted the flexible contracts."
So where do these varying analyses leave us?
With a need to reassess the pros and cons in a far more balanced manner, in order to re-evaluate
issues of under-employment , drag on spending power, workers stuck in the wrong job and wanting more hours of work, freeing up more opportunities for the economically inactive to gain employment?
Migrants in this scenario appear to be providing businesses with flexibility , yes, but in this scenario other factors have arisen which have created cause for concern.
This is just one example of how the EU and Govt need to re-evaluate the realities, and allow for far greater flexibility/ strategies re the current system and better cater for unintended consequences.
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Why are posters replying with essays .
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windtlaker
I call it clutching at straws and / or trying to find anything on the internet (or anyone or anything) to support their views and sadly cut and paste is the result.
This can happen when there is no plan, no strategy, no idea, no target etc etc etc
Mind you someone did point out or ask that people not to post links and give their own opinion so this may be the reason
What has zero hours contracts got to do with Brexit - this has been a topic for many years and nothing to do with EU or Brexit simply a UK issue or probelm dpepdning on how you look at it
Funny if the EU bans them and the UK keeps them (or vice versa) - as i said NOTHING to do with Brexit
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You need to learn how to copy and paste windy
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Personally I do not have a problem with so called zero hour's contract ,l have been self employed for 28 years, this has always been the way the Building industry in the UK has worked for many year's .Hire for the duration of the job and then fire when no longer required. Maybe the EU should take notice of how the UK is going about it's business and try to reduce the massive unemployment in countries like Spain where it is almost impossible to get a full time job due to the fact that the employer cannot sack you even if he has no work for you this is why companies go bust.this is why Brexit is important .
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Windtalker
Why should the EU take note of what the uk have done for years now
What has the Spanish employment laws got to do with brexit so why is it important in this instance
You seem to suggest spain could learn from uk on this yet the uk refuse to learn from others like Spain on health care and benefits
Zero hours contracts have nothing to do with brexit
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Tadd1966 the NHS in the UK would love to run a Spanish type Health system ( if you don't pay in you pay private) but it can't due to the whole of the EU having the right to free health care in the UK without paying any contributions in the NHS is over run with foriners claiming free health care and according to the EU they have the right to do so this problems seems to have got worse over the last 15 years, the UK N H S just can't cope no matter how many Doctors or Nurses they employed or money the government put in this is why the majority hear in the UK voted forBrexit .
The EU have order the UK to abolish zero hours contracts ,something that the UK has refused to do. Hence Brexit.
This message was last edited by windtalker on 09/11/2016.
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Apologies for providing some factual data intended to add to the debate.... :(
It's sad when this is interpreted as "clutching at straws".
Windtalker I understand your concerns from a flexible self employed perspective, but there are unintended consequences to this ( under-employment, and lower spending power, no pension, etc) which need to be understood and taken into account when people assess the overall impact of these contracts on the economy and its citizens, especially when these contracts are now used by 26% of those currently in work.
Why do you think several EU countries have decided to ban them or regulate them? Might it be that they have recognised these wider economic impacts and decided they are open to abuse by employers?
We should also understand that the UK should be recouping monies back from EU countries where EU citizens are using our health service. Their failure in this regard is costing our NHS dearly.
P.s. Have the EU ordered the UK to ban them zero hours contracts?
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Next thing you know, Jimmy Hoffa, JFK, and the unknown soldier will somehow be brought into the discussion around Brexit.
I cant help but laugh that what some people think is a good idea (zero hours), and others think its a bad idea, has, somehow, all been laid at the feet of the EU.
Did anyone stop to think that "zero hours" contracts actually exist in other parts of the world? Is the EU responsible for its proliferation in, say, the US?
And is it actually bad in the first place?
Quite a few unresolved questions, but hey ho, I'm curious to see the spin doctors at play. As you were!
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“Zero hours contracts are not generally allowed in Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Estonia, France, Lithuania, Luxembourg.
Not used / rare...Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovenia, Spain.
Allowed / heavily regulated, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Slovakia.
Allowed, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, Norway, Sweden, United Kingdom.
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