| The Comments |
Bigal
The proof is all around in the press on the street on forums in the pub on the golf course etc and has even put our Tony down the pub out of work
If you need any more proof then you will have to go looking for it
_______________________
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge”
2
Like
|
Tadd
Just as I thought.....You don't have any.
0
Like
|
Bigal
That is your view but I see plenty to satisfy my view and my opinion if you don't see it then that is your view and your opinion
_______________________
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge”
2
Like
|
Baz - My last word on the subject is immigrants are equal human beings to indiginous British people and should receive equal treatment in all things.
Britain’s departure from the European Union could cause output losses of as much as 9.5 per cent, according to new research.
Calculations using models that incorporate productivity measures show a negative impact on gross domestic product per capita of almost four times that of previous estimates, according to John Van Reenen, a professor of applied economics at the MIT Sloan School of Management who supported the campaign for the UK to remain in the EU.
That’s because increased costs of doing business with the rest of Europe -- which accounts for about half of all UK trade -- will mean lower levels of commerce and foreign investment, and thus lower average incomes in Britain.
Brexiteers like to claim the referendum vote has made little difference to UK growth. However if you analyze the figures you will see current growth is almost all coming from consumer spending and personal borrowing.
Crucially investment in industry is declining particularly foreign investment. These are the sign posts and clues to how the UK is going to hit a very large wall in the coming years.
If there is no deal with the EU Brexit is highly likely to be nothing short of a national calamity.
This message was last edited by Mickyfinn on 10/02/2017.
_______________________
Time is the school in which we learn
Time is the fire in which we burn.
Delmore Schwartz.
5
Like
|
|
Mickyfinn, as I have said so many times I personally am not against immigration, I don't really need the reminder that these are human beings because I for one did not vote out for this reason solely, I am against however letting in the world when all they want is our over generous payouts, now agree or not you know thats the truth.
I am not really interested in fancy per cents of this that and the other, if the UK gets superb Doctors from anywhere in the world, great, if we get a family from a poverty stricken country who admit to only coming here for the handouts, not great, the home country should have sorted that out.
Even the last Bank of England boss has now admitted that had the EU and UK listened to the people about these problems and took notice then chances are, no Brexit, but no one in the EU, or our government, is, or has been, interested in whats happening or happened, now is the price to be paid.
I do agree that on many occasions 'Better the Devil you know' is good, but the overall effect of Brexit is down to the straight honest fact that no one, looked, took notice, or cared what has happened to the UK over these past years, Cameron proved that when he went to get a good deal.
Within the 17.5 million people that voted out are you honestly trying to tell us few on here, that down to the last person of this amount not one person knew what they were voting for, considering that of this mixed 17.5 million it had to have had a good few bankers, business people, investors, and so on.
4
Like
|
There were an extraordinary amount of live debates and good intellectual cross questioning that spanned across regional issues as well as tackling national issues, which were continually covered on the UK TV channels throughout the period leading up to the referendum, so to imply lack of knowledge or opportunity to gain knowledge and clarification on the many and varied issues relating to Brexit for voters to know what they were voting for, is a falsehood I'm afraid.
Here are some trade statistics from ONS.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/07/29/uk-goods-exporters-outstrip-global-rivals-for-first-time-since-2/amp/
www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/dec2016
( Release date 10th Feb. )
Main points
The UK trade deficit on goods and services narrowed to £8.6 billion in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2016, following a sharp widening of the deficit in Quarter 3 (July to Sept) 2016; this narrowing was predominantly due to an increase in exports of goods to non-EU countries.
At the commodity level, the main causes of the narrowing of the deficit in Quarter 4 were increased exports of non-monetary gold, oil and aircraft as well as a decrease in imports of non-monetary gold.
Exports and imports of goods excluding oil and erratics have grown between each consecutive quarter of 2016; the deficit on goods excluding oil and erratics continued to widen in each quarter in 2016 because the import values increased more than exports.
Exports of goods to both EU and non-EU countries have increased through most of 2016, but there was a much higher quarter-on-quarter growth in exports to non-EU countries in Quarter 4 2016, following a fall in Quarter 3.
The UK’s deficit on trade in goods and services was £3.3 billion in December 2016, a narrowing of £0.3 billion, which is contributing to the narrowing in Quarter 4 2016.
Between 2015 and 2016 the UK’s deficit on trade in goods and services widened to £39.4 billion, with the large deficit in Quarter 3 2016 contributing most compared with other quarters.
This message was last edited by ads on 10/02/2017.
2
Like
|
Well this is all academic now. Brexit is going to happen and probably the hardest of hard Brexit since the EU is not likely to make any compromises.
It’s plain to anyone who is honest and bothers to try understanding EU political logic that leaving the block cannot in any sense be advantageous to any member state. If that scenario is created for the UK more countries will be encouraged to leave by their populist politicians.
I believe the UK is facing the calamity of future trading with the world under IMF rules and with agreements that suit other states better such as the USA. Britain will be entirely on the back foot having to negotiate trade deals from the weakest possible position.
The EU will not put any economic concerns above their principle raison d'être that of political unity and a direction of travel toward a future European State.
_______________________
Time is the school in which we learn
Time is the fire in which we burn.
Delmore Schwartz.
1
Like
|
None of this matters anyway. The only calamity is the EU which refuses to change and will collapse. The UK will then do individual deals with whoever wants them.
2
Like
|
** EDITED **
This message was last edited by eos_moderators on 2/10/2017 4:37:00 PM.
_______________________
NO SNIDE COMMENTS PLEASE. STICK TO THE THREAD SUBJECT.
0
Like
|
From Andrew Neil on Today's politics
UBS + Morgan Stanley tell Paris: no chance of capturing serious business from City of London without radical reform of French labour code
2
Like
|
hugh_man
UBS + Morgan Stanley tell Paris: no chance of capturing serious business from City of London without radical reform of French labour code
Simply opens up the market as an opportunity to the other EU states to capture this business
_______________________
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge”
1
Like
|
Baz the immigration subject of this thread has ended. Please be a good boy.
I answered Mickyfinn's post not you'rs.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
3
Like
|
Quite right tadd. There are serious rumours that Zagreb Croatia could become the next financial capital of Europe.
Baz 2 wrongs don’t make a right, behave yourself.
_______________________
NO SNIDE COMMENTS PLEASE. STICK TO THE THREAD SUBJECT.
0
Like
|
Nothing to do with Brexit but everytime you answer any post you prove who you were.
2
Like
|
** EDITED - **
This message was last edited by eos_moderators on 2/10/2017 4:33:00 PM.
_______________________
NO SNIDE COMMENTS PLEASE. STICK TO THE THREAD SUBJECT.
0
Like
|
Quite right tadd. There are serious rumours that Zagreb Croatia could become the next financial capital of Europe.
Never heard that rumour but then again why not
Somewhere will gain and it will be at London's loss
_______________________
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge”
2
Like
|
** EDITED **
This message was last edited by eos_moderators on 2/10/2017 4:38:00 PM.
2
Like
|
Good news this week for Europeans. The EU Commission has agreed to abolish digital content restrictions across the entire EU. They have also agreed to abolish mobile phone roaming charges. So calls and data will be the same cost anywhere you go in Europe.
So no more need for a VPN to watch Netflix UK or Amazon Video, Sky on line. Errrr…. except Britain’s in future will be no longer be in the EU will they. So the good news will not apply when they travel to Europe on their hols. They will all have to pay more. How sad is that?.
_______________________
Time is the school in which we learn
Time is the fire in which we burn.
Delmore Schwartz.
2
Like
|
Hugh - UBS + Morgan Stanley tell Paris: no chance of capturing serious business from City of London without radical reform of French labour code
Actually I agree with that. The Labour codes in France are restrictive and have been needing reform for years. A far more likely scenario is banks and institutions will leave the City for New York, Dublin or Frankfurt.
_______________________
Time is the school in which we learn
Time is the fire in which we burn.
Delmore Schwartz.
2
Like
|