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I'm still waiting to hear of the reform being sought to address the failings of the existing system which ironically both sides have affirmed and also how reform can be achieved given the status quo.
Why is the EU Commission and remain campaigners so reluctant to honestly address these major concerns with a strategy and mission statement ( not rhetoric I hasten to add).
Such reluctance only leads one to conclude that there is little willingness to listen to the concerns of their citizens or demonstrate trusted commitment to face up to realities that are in dire need of reform. "Trusted" being the operative word.
Without such a mission statement few believe that the Commission and Parliamentarians will adhere to their word and commit to overdue reform.
Sometimes in life those in power have to be made accountable for failings and demonstrate their willingness to face up to uncomfortable realities and strive for adequate solutions rather than bury their heads in the sand. It takes courage intellect but most importantly a sense of humility to face up to these uncomfortable realities.
Sadly many perceive this failure to reform as arrogance, as an unwillingness to listen, and many would prefer not to have to take such strong measures to make those in power comprehend the significance of their failures. All too many are crying out for their leaders to listen and pay heed to their genuine concerns.
Time will tell if these leaders are prepared to commit to reform but in the interim many are asking why no mission statement, why no commitment, why such little attention paid to their insecurities?
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You can apply your frustrations equally to national governments. In particular the current UK government. It is unfair to single out the European Union or make your case for Brexit on that basis.
The truth is government of any colour or creeds do not respond or react to individuals concerns or grievances. The individual has an established path to put forward complaints but as I’m sure you know it’s usually pointless.
The way to get national governments to react and take notice is to organize and mount a campaign with a single coherent cause for change. You need large numbers and interest groups who share the same ideals. If you want the EU to reform then you are at liberty so to do. It’s a hard and difficult causeway that requires singular dedication but it has been done in the past.
Voting in a particular way just because you can’t get your complaints noticed is misguided in my view. The referendum is about other things than Spanish property law reform. There is much wrong with Spanish law generally. Reforms are well overdue. Perhaps if there is a change of government in June it may happen. Podemos is committed to it.
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i hear what you are asking for. It is valid. But this is a referendum about UK in or out on the current revised terms.
there is ongoing work being done related to many issues at the EU level. Immigration and Schegen are high the the list with the former at the top. It takes time to get it right.
Heph, you would be surprised...it would really get up your nose matey.
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Well the Mr Personality that is John Major has now joined the 'Inners', god help them. 
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Now La Garde is crapping herself over the UK saying goodbye ,probably because she will have less to embezzle when we've gone HO HO
I think the 55 pluses will narrowly win for the leavers long memories and they hav put up with the crap for 40 years the youth of today don't even know what the EU is let alone how to vote
Roll on D Day
Love Hugh xxxx
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Mickeyfinn,
This isn't just about property rights issues!!!! You obviously didn't comprehend what I was referring to in my last post.
The stark reality is that National Governments appear to have little power under the current treaty arrangements and in the case of the British, they are picking up the pieces from the EU's open door policy and free movement of EU citizens. We've discussed the impact on British society before, education, NHS, housing, industry, downward spiral on salaries, etc , so no point repeating.
As for organised campaigns you obviously have not experienced the realities firsthand, as once again national Governments have little power to effect solutions given the current treaty arrangements. MEPS have been ineffective to resolve issues from organised campaigns, and even the previous Vice President of the EU Parliament was unable to gain solutions to ongoing property rights issues, just as one example.
Powerful lobbying groups representing Banks and financial institutions, large corporations etc have far more influence with the EU political elites who remain unaccoutable within the existing structure. And so it goes on.
EU citizens deserve better from their "representatives" ...why should they be subjected to a second rate system that pays such scant regard for their genuine concerns, without prioritising on the need for reform of the treaty?
It's ironic that only now are the powerful elites speaking of their fears in relation to Brexit... Why are they not addressing the underlying concerns of British voters and recognising the growing and urgent requirement for treaty change?
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When you refer to the EU having 'an open door policy' are you referring to free movement of capital and labour? Or is that a reference to Mrs Merkel's policy in Germany of allowing Syrian migrants to freely enter her country, which was a humanitarian gesture?
Free movement policy only applies of course to EU passport holders. The latest statistics on that shown the actual nu bers arriving in the UK are not likely to cause the problems you suggest. Many EU migrants register for NI work for 6 months and then return home.
Many Brits in Spain do the same. They get an NIE number stay for a while and find life too difficult and go back. I don't believe that causes any member state sufficient problems to cry for treaty change. In any case its a none negotiable issue for the community.
Mr Cameron achieved quite substantial treaty opt-outs for the UK. For instance in the future the UK will not be required to take part in any further integration. So for the UK a future EU superstate is not an issue.
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Germany of allowing Syrian migrants to freely enter her country, which was a humanitarian gesture?
Merkal only allowed them to enter Germany because she wanted / was up for the Nobel Peace Prize, it would have looked good on her part, as it happens she didn't get the prize...She has made one hell of a balls up....Don't ask the papers, ask the German people.
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Free movement policy only applies of course to EU passport holders. The latest statistics on that shown the actual nu bers arriving in the UK are not likely to cause the problems you suggest.
BBC Tuesday May 24th 10.45pm...Might give some answers to many questions.
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There are certain risks Mark Carney must have considered. His position is undermined if after a Brexit vote his predictions don't come to pass.
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Hi M, you will rember you promised your support when we gave you the job.
Hi G, yes, you have had it.
Bit mealy mouthed.
OK G, I'll give you the whole hog but every point is going to be prefixed by might. I need a get out.
Thanks M, you're a pal.
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"Scratch the surface of any cynic and you will find a disappointed idealist. Someone who made the mistake of converting his ideals into expectations".
Peter M Senge.
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Mark Carney has a get out, his job finishes in about 2.5 years time.
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The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw
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Polls have been interesting over the past few days.
BBC tells us that the public put great store in the word of Mr Carney, so perhaps something else is at work, or perhaps the great British public do not like being told what to do by the establishment.
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Again according to the BBC it's the women that are the most undecided, and then in the next breath it's the unskilled and semi skilled workers - a huge amount of people undecided though, this coupled with how many decide to turn out on the day will decide the future of the nation. So 51% of a 50% turnout pretty much decides the future of our children and our childrens children - democracy yes of course !
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I suggest that you look at Brexit the video which can be found via Google search.
Brings things into the open that you may not have considered.
I found it very enlightening
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Saw that, propaganda for the out brigade. The truth is every media outlet has a side and an opinion. Many are attracted to something that reinforces their own beliefs.
I am pro-European and I have yet to be remotely convinced by anything the Brexit camp puts out. Boris Johnson is an ambitious, smart, arch manipulator. Gove is a lofty head in the clouds patriot. The rest are largely failed politicians and has-beens. As for Farage he was a failed financial trader who has done very nicely out of his campaign. I hear he is going to campaign after Brexit to be in government with Boris as Prime minister. God help the UK.
Now you can choose men like that to believe in or you can listen to Carney, Lagarde, Omama and Cameron. Together with most of the world’s financial, political and economic minds.
It’s the undecided who will win this referendum and there are many
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Carney, Cameron and Obama are all on their way out, Lagarde preaches taxation honesty whilst accepting a tax-free salary,
You guys do no harm to Brexit by continually name calling it's supporters and inventing mythical catastrophies if they win the referendum, keep it up guys. 
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Presumably then heph you will be content with Bo Jo's rhetoric today comparing the European Community with Adolf Hitler, Napoleon and the Romans.
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Yes micky, far more than the prediction of armageddon if Brexit succeeds, that emanates from the dimmer inners. 
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